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Difficulty: Hard Tuesday, December 30, 2008

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CHAT LOG for Tuesday, December 30, 2008

12:03 am
trueheart11

go
12:04 am
UnikeTheHunter

DING. I really liked this one. Lots of neat stuff and ended in a long series of "and the last one is..."
12:19 am
Ed-was_here

Done with greens
12:34 am
eyeman

Done with a green.
12:50 am
Phil

start
1:05 am
Phil

done, no greens
1:15 am
WHB

Done
1:16 am
WHB

Done finally, a tough one.
1:25 am
trueheart11

done. finally
5:54 am
Attila

Hi there, bcm
7:11 am
Fizzbut

go
7:12 am
kaosangel

Morning. Go.
7:23 am
kaosangel

Done. No Greens.
7:42 am
Andy

go
7:54 am
Fizzbut

have to finish this later.
7:57 am
yul

hello everybody
7:57 am
Andy

morning
8:07 am
Andy

done
8:08 am
Andy

greens and a guess
8:08 am
Andy

Toughest one in some time round these parts.
8:10 am
spreadeagle

Just started, so far seems pretty easy. We'll see...
8:17 am
spreadeagle

So much for that, going green :-(
8:29 am
yul

ha!
8:29 am
yul

got ya
8:33 am
gman

10 filled in; green soon
8:34 am
spreadeagle

Just wait till you get to 15, then it bogs down
8:50 am
yul

Easy
8:54 am
yul

Just need to pay a bit of attention. After finding a triple you can detect the unique number and then just eliminate. With green.
8:54 am
yul

Have a great day everybody
8:55 am
fixingtoburst

dumb question, but what does with green mean?
8:56 am
fixingtoburst

completed and no green?
8:56 am
UDbmas

using "pencil marks"
8:57 am
fixingtoburst

oh
8:57 am
fixingtoburst

i'm not sure how to do that
8:57 am
fixingtoburst

lol
8:57 am
Runnerbean

hi fixing... green is like a pencilled in number that u put in by holding down your shift and the numbers you are not certain about, and they show up as tiny green numbers
8:57 am
fixingtoburst

ah, thank you
8:57 am
fixingtoburst

that would have been helpful
8:58 am
UDbmas

Dang runner, you are faster at typing that me! LOL.
8:58 am
fixingtoburst

I may have to upgrade to pro
8:58 am
Runnerbean

not always UD
8:58 am
fixingtoburst

This could be addictive
8:59 am
UDbmas

yes...it is!
8:59 am
Runnerbean

u dont have to be pro, and yes it is addictive
8:59 am
fixingtoburst

was this puzzle particularly difficult?
8:59 am
yul

it's better not to be pro, more challenging
8:59 am
UDbmas

I'll let you know when I finish...LOL
8:59 am
Runnerbean

BIG YES fixing
9:00 am
fixingtoburst

well that makes me feel good then. no green and i finished it
9:00 am
UDbmas

well done
9:00 am
fixingtoburst

well thank you all for the information.
9:01 am
fixingtoburst

i'll see you tommorow
9:01 am
UDbmas

take care & have a good one
9:01 am
Runnerbean

BYE
9:02 am
Runnerbean

I've lost count of how many times I have re-started this one!!
9:02 am
UDbmas

yes...the puzzle that keeps on, um, giving?
9:03 am
Runnerbean

yeah, false clues/patterns
9:06 am
lk911

Process of elimination...but you have to look hard! :)
9:07 am
Runnerbean

I'm wearing my glasses out!!!
9:56 am
Inge

done with greens
9:56 am
ypsigirl

done
10:10 am
Runnerbean

Who is still working on this one?
10:16 am
Runnerbean

Have you finished yet Spreadeagle?
10:26 am
drwho

Difficulty score 40. Had a little trouble seeing a medium technique after going green, but then everything fell into place.
10:32 am
drwho

Runnerbean, are you still stuck?
10:35 am
Runnerbean

Sure am doc, am beginning to feel ill, got a cure for me?
10:36 am
drwho

How far along are you?
10:38 am
Runnerbean

have only filled in 10 so far!!!
10:39 am
drwho

Have you filled in the green markups?
10:39 am
drwho

After 10 I would recommend going green.
10:40 am
Runnerbean

am doing that, but every time I see different patterns
10:41 am
drwho

Do you know what a naked pair looks like, and what it means?
10:42 am
Runnerbean

is a naked pair 2 numbers that will only go in 2 certain squares?
10:44 am
drwho

Close, its 2 cells in a row, column or block that can only contain the same 2 numbers.
10:45 am
drwho

You described a hidden pair, because the way you described it, other numbers could also go in those 2 certain squares.
10:45 am
Runnerbean

got that in bottom row
10:45 am
drwho

Yes!
10:46 am
drwho

I assume you know how to eliminate the 2 numbers of the naked pair from all the other cells in the row.
10:47 am
drwho

After you have done that look for virtual cross-hatching possibilities.
10:49 am
drwho

The virtual cross-hatching will involve 1 of the 2 numbers from the naked pair.
11:16 am
Runnerbean

Dealing with the virtual cross hatching now
11:24 am
drwho

When you find the virtual cross-hatch that should reveal another naked pair. After that the puzzle becomes a medium.
11:25 am
Runnerbean

Txs for help, watch this space
11:41 am
sandbox74

commence
12:09 pm
sandbox74

greenup
12:54 pm
sandbox74

terminate.. I'm exhausted.
1:20 pm
Runnerbean

At last Hoooraaaah
1:21 pm
Runnerbean

Finished Dr Who Thanks for all your help
1:56 pm
SamanthaJoy

I think I
1:56 pm
SamanthaJoy

I'm in over my head here
2:17 pm
torgone

This thing is kicking my butt ..
2:38 pm
torgone

Wait .. It's not kicking my butt any more ..
2:41 pm
SamanthaJoy

I'm floored. Can you explain to me what is meant by "cross hatching"?
2:42 pm
torgone

That's when you check off what's not possible by looking at the rows, columns and 3x3 boxes relative to each space ..
2:43 pm
SamanthaJoy

Ah. Yes, I have done that. I just seem to have hit a point where there aren't possibilities being eliminated anymore.
2:45 pm
torgone

If you're at the same point I was when I saw it, I think it was either 2 or 6 in the upper middle box ... I think ..
2:46 pm
torgone

I think I saw a loner I hadn't before ..
2:54 pm
SamanthaJoy

I think we are approaching this by different paths. I don't have any more loners, so I'm just brute forcing it into submission.
2:57 pm
torgone

That's what I did at first when I got stuck, but I screwed it up and had to start over .. The second time through it fell into place ..
3:00 pm
SamanthaJoy

Thank goodness for checkpoints
3:05 pm
torgone

Forward thinking on the part of Dr. G to add that feature ..
3:21 pm
helenkeller

go
3:39 pm
Zugzug7

dang it. I messed up too. Back to square one. I hate that.
4:06 pm
helenkeller

done with greens
4:09 pm
SamanthaJoy

Done, with full and unashamed use of greens. I'd be embarrassed to tell you how many times I restarted, though.
4:14 pm
torgone

Well done ..
4:24 pm
SamanthaJoy

Thank you. It was my first hard. Hell, yesterday was my first medium, so I guess I'm coming right along.
4:24 pm
Zugzug7

Grats Sam! Well done.
4:25 pm
SamanthaJoy

Thank you very much! Plunging into the archives now.
4:28 pm
torgone

Hours of fun there ..
4:30 pm
SamanthaJoy

If by "fun" you mean "obsessive cumpulsions", sure! LOL Actually I'm having a great time with these, even if I am perhaps spending an excessive amount of time on them--hey I'm on vacation.
4:38 pm
torgone

Yay! Vacation .. I'm taking a few days off as well ..
5:12 pm
SamanthaJoy

I guess 'tis the season for that sort of thing. Summertime too.
6:02 pm
daneel

going, instead of working
6:30 pm
daneel

done, with mild distractions from work
7:24 pm
tropiske

finally done, had to go green.
8:25 pm
selenav

done. after one guess and no greens
11:09 pm
Montreal13

done - no greens ... but had to guess...