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Difficulty: Expert Saturday, December 30, 2006

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CHAT LOG for Saturday, December 30, 2006

12:29 am
raggedyandy3478

done, too easy to be an expert
12:30 am
raggedyandy3478

it should be a medium or hard
12:59 am
WHB

Done
3:35 am
caderoux

The only difficult element is a forcing chain near the very end. Nowhere near as hard as other experts here.
4:07 am
grzybu

sh.. my browser just crashed. i was just about to finish it :(
5:02 am
sprite

Save your work. Always save your work. Rule # 1 on computering :)
5:03 am
sprite

Just like: always make backups. We all should. But do we?
5:19 am
jwjjjcjh

done
6:38 am
grzybu

done ;)
7:54 am
rycaut

much easier than most past experts - used greens at the very end mostly to not lose my place but didn't need to guess at all, or even analyze all that hard
8:44 am
TrickyRic

yay i'm a sudoku member now :)
8:50 am
TrickyRic

hmm icons are uploaded in a much lower quality to babble...
9:09 am
eyeman

whew. got it with one greenie.
9:20 am
brittlefish.com

finished, but had to use greens/reds with 26 left, then guess once at r1c4 and r1c6. can anyone suggest what method they used to "not guess" and not use greens / reds?
9:29 am
gman

brittlefish.com---I only used greens and had to quess once. I worked it twice and don't see any way to just 'scan'. Most 'guesses' will fill in the rest of the puzzle, regardless of where they are on the board.
9:31 am
brittlefish.com

thanks. i screenshotted the board before guessing and after finishing (good first guess) i went back and walked the wrong guess. unless i'm missing something it didn't lead to anything obviously wrong except another guess point.
9:33 am
brittlefish.com

was wondering if those who did it with no guesses saw something like an "xy wing with a hang ten" or some such strategy :)
9:34 am
gman

I agree. Some guesses don't lead to a complete solution. I usually have to look to make a 'good' guess, one that will 'open up' the board.
9:46 am
gman

OK, over my head on the 'xy wing' thingy but I'll do a little research.
9:54 am
chrissie2006

hey guys, I mangaed without any guesses. I used a lot of greens though and had ti restart at one point, but after that I found it a lot easier than some hards
10:07 am
viet124

finished with no guesses. dont know the names of official strategies, but i am also new to sodoku / first hard puzzle, took me an hour and a half.
10:10 am
Moozey

no guessing required if you use the greens. It was easy...definitely not an expert...I've seen worse mediums and hards
10:11 am
TrickyRic

why doesn't dec 29 show up in the archive?
10:11 am
viet124

what do you mean by greens and reds?
10:12 am
TrickyRic

possibles show up in green and impossibles show in red, viet. hold shift while you click a number to place a possible
10:12 am
Moozey

when you want to indicate that a square has the potential to be a number. To do this, click a square to bring up the selection box, and hold down the Shift key while clicking on the number. The selection box will disappear and the number will appear as a small, green subscript number in the square.
10:12 am
gman

viet124--hold down the shift key or the alt key after clicking on a box and your small 'possibles' show up--making solution easier
10:13 am
Moozey

red's are opposits
10:13 am
brittlefish.com

okay. agreed that it wasn't as bad as some hards, but it'd be nice to not have to guess at it. i suppose walking a chain is essentially guessing in your head what i did by actually filling in the guess until it works or doesn't.
10:13 am
Moozey

opposites
10:13 am
viet124

oh loolll that would help so much. thanks!
10:13 am
brittlefish.com

or green for possibles where more than 2 exist and red for exactly 2 possibles
10:14 am
Moozey

and no idea where the 29th has gone <insert the music to twilight zone>
10:14 am
TrickyRic

weired lol
10:27 am
vince0

lol its my first time playing this game
11:04 am
chebuctonian

yay! an expert! :)
11:36 am
bunnyvicious

That was to simple for an expert :(
Off to the archives!!
2:26 pm
drwho

Difficulty score 42. Maybe right, but if so this is the toughest one I have solve without the green or red. I found a couple simple coloring type forcing chains that broke it open for me.
2:32 pm
dinoshadow

where can I get information on colors?
2:35 pm
drwho

www.scanraid.com/sudoku.htm is a good starting place. Look under tough strategies, he is a Brit so he spells color with a U :-).
2:36 pm
dinoshadow

I think I can handle that ;) thanks!
2:37 pm
gman

dinoshadow==click on a box and hold down the shift or alt key with the number in get minimized numbers
2:39 pm
drwho

Good point, I referred to reds and greens, also colors. They refer to the little numbers you can use for mark-up purposes. See earlier conversation from today's chat log.
2:44 pm
dinoshadow

Oh, I know about the red and green. I meant the strategies 'colors' and you pointed me in the right direction. But I still don't quite understand his explanation. I am probably doing the same thing and just don't realize what I Am doing ;)
3:39 pm
bauski

go
3:40 pm
Stephanie

go
3:52 pm
Stephanie

done!
4:18 pm
bauski

got it wrong. I'll do it later. :P
4:41 pm
helenkeller

go
5:00 pm
helenkeller

done
5:00 pm
helenkeller

wow - easier than some mediums
7:12 pm
hurshy

yeah, what gives? this is easy one.