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Difficulty: Medium Sunday, April 9, 2006

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CHAT LOG for Sunday, April 9, 2006

12:02 am
caderoux

This is a medium? - got all 2s and 3s already
12:02 am
David Mitchell

Ooh, new puzzle
12:02 am
BariSaxPat

the ranking system is kinda screwy
12:02 am
David Mitchell

Forgot about it 'til just now
12:02 am
BariSaxPat

but it could be hard later
12:03 am
David Mitchell

Meant to help somebody finish yesterday's, oops
12:03 am
caderoux

and 1s
12:07 am
MotiveForce

Haha, it's probably just in disguise
12:07 am
MotiveForce

it will pwn us later!
12:13 am
MotiveForce

this puzzle lacks ample fourage and sixage
12:13 am
MotiveForce

haha we should fourage for more sixes ;)
12:15 am
BariSaxPat

boooo!
12:15 am
BariSaxPat

ok, I laughed
12:15 am
MotiveForce

sweeet
12:15 am
MotiveForce

:D
12:20 am
moe492

and done!
12:20 am
caderoux

done
12:20 am
MotiveForce

wow
12:20 am
MotiveForce

congratz
12:20 am
David Mitchell

Good job
12:20 am
David Mitchell

It's gonna be a while for me
12:20 am
cookie

Amazing! Good going!
12:22 am
pthomp

done too!
12:22 am
pthomp

easiest on I've done here
12:22 am
spazzy

you know what makes me angry? i did my sudoku, but printed it out, and finished it today. and guess what? i lost it. ugh. and, by the time i got home, it was too late to get my stupid points. right now that makes me mad.
12:22 am
MotiveForce

yeh it seems it so far
12:22 am
spazzy

and... don't you hate how these are really addicting?
12:23 am
MotiveForce

oh don't worry spazzy... be happy :)
12:23 am
spazzy

i like that song.....
12:23 am
MotiveForce

metoo
12:27 am
Debs40ish

I'm done..
12:28 am
LordHits

done and out
12:28 am
MotiveForce

wow, ppl cleanin house tonight B)
12:28 am
LordHits

this should have been ranked easy
12:29 am
LordHits

easiest all week
12:29 am
Debs40ish

It's the Dr... he tries to trick us...
12:29 am
MotiveForce

lolz
12:32 am
MotiveForce

W00t, i'm done 2
12:32 am
MotiveForce

i'm out... later rooom
12:34 am
Debs40ish

Cya Mot..tc
12:45 am
Limer

Nailed That Puppy!
12:45 am
Limer

Rank me, Baby!
12:47 am
David Mitchell

Gah, I'm feeling pretty slow
12:47 am
SeedyV

Fours and Sixes can go to hell right now
12:48 am
cookie

I'm with you SeedyV ........It's all 4's and 6's and a few 7's and no way to get rid of them
12:53 am
David Mitchell

Ooh, I think I'm starting to get it
12:54 am
David Mitchell

You have to think about which possibilities would prevent you from placing those numbers in other boxes
12:54 am
SeedyV

I'm better with these when I can mark all over the grid :P
12:54 am
David Mitchell

You can!
12:54 am
BariSaxPat

That's one way to think about it. Generally strategies tend to overlap one another.
12:55 am
David Mitchell

Shift-click to mark as possible
12:55 am
SeedyV

Ahhhh tyvm
12:55 am
David Mitchell

Or alt-click to mark as impossible (red)
12:55 am
SeedyV

Duly noted, nice features
12:57 am
David Mitchell

Hmm, that didn't get me much that I'm seeing..
12:58 am
David Mitchell

Oh, duh.
12:59 am
SeedyV

I'm waiting for the moment when I finally figure it and go "Wow, I'm such a dumba**." Happens every damn time.
12:59 am
David Mitchell

Just happened here. :)
1:03 am
David Mitchell

Finished!
1:13 am
David Mitchell

G'night/day, folks.
1:19 am
cookie

This started out so easy........Now I'm starting over.....Must have made a careless error in my early euphoria....rats!
2:06 am
zemoxian

cookie, That's why I perfer computer sudoku over paper sudoku
2:07 am
zemoxian

Of course, my wife likes to do it in pen! :-)
2:08 am
cookie

I would never be able to do it in pen......What is her secret?
2:08 am
AFShortie

new to the game
2:09 am
zemoxian

LOL, That's right!
2:09 am
raggedyandy3478

well welcome, its hard as crap at times, and yet always addicting
2:09 am
cookie

Welcome, Shorty. Good luck
2:10 am
AFShortie

Thanks
2:10 am
zemoxian

OTOH, I just left the page without saving a checkpoint. Doh!
2:12 am
zemoxian

Hello Shortie
2:12 am
AFShortie

Hey there.
2:18 am
raggedyandy3478

done!, its 3:20 in the morn where i live, so im gone, gnight/day to all of you, and gl to you shortie
2:19 am
AFShortie

thanks, goodnight to you!
2:19 am
zemoxian

good night
2:27 am
peternl

hi all
2:28 am
AFShortie

morning
2:38 am
BariSaxPat

night all
2:54 am
cookie

This was more difficult than I anticipated.......Finally done!
2:55 am
cookie

Watch out for those fours and fives and sixes!!!!!Goodnight all! Good luck!
2:55 am
zemoxian

Fin!
2:56 am
zemoxian

That's it for me. Good morning all..
3:14 am
AFShortie

this is rough
3:17 am
rcheramy

im stuck
3:27 am
sprite

Another of those obscure 'medium's. Morning all :)
3:34 am
rcheramy

first time I've had to 'guess' got it though.
3:34 am
rcheramy

night all
3:35 am
sprite

So far I am still reasoning it out, but I am only halfway. Congrats and good night.
3:35 am
rcheramy

the first half comes pretty easy... then the 4,5,6 are all over it.
3:36 am
sprite

They are nasty indeed. Well, I love a challenge ;)
3:43 am
Atalante

finished :) moving over to babble ...
3:51 am
sprite

wtg Atalante!
4:36 am
sellout

4's can be everywhere! Gahhh
4:36 am
sellout

6's too!!
5:47 am
sherb

done... with just one guess...
6:09 am
Linda

see what you mean about the 4s and 6s!
6:13 am
Linda

is it really possible with logic?
6:48 am
NJL

Hi all
6:49 am
Vega

Finished! Didn't have the guess.
6:50 am
Vega

Er, "to guess". ;)
7:23 am
wth

456.... 46... 45... 456....
7:23 am
wth

They're everywhere! :-)
7:34 am
M3

Medium !!!! im so stuck. yeah i know thats what i always say lol
7:38 am
Thuryn

i am too
7:38 am
Thuryn

4s, 5s, and 6s. grrrr
7:39 am
wth

Stuck here too. At least I was making progress on getting taxes finished. :-/
7:40 am
wth

Be back later... good luck y'all.
7:42 am
Thuryn

omg... i just found the trick! woooo!
7:50 am
narrativium

yay, nailed!
7:51 am
Thuryn

Yes! Got it.
7:51 am
Thuryn

with no guesing!
8:00 am
NJL

who thinks you need to guess
8:01 am
NJL

It wasn't hard, medium was a good ranking
8:04 am
peternl

done
8:46 am
Douglas

:-)
9:14 am
Danno

my left eye for a 4 or a 6
9:15 am
UDbmas

done!
10:40 am
green

seriously, 4's and 6's are tough
11:17 am
jparker

this was my first time... completed in just under an hour
12:09 pm
RandLS

yeesh. 4, 5, and 6. sucky numbers this game
12:30 pm
green

wow, i was totally stuck on the 4,5,6 for about an hour. did some laundry and came back... solved it in about 2 mins! if your stuck at that point, walk away for a while!
12:31 pm
RandLS

there was a 49 box im not sure about. im not sure if my logic is considered a guess or not. ;)
12:31 pm
RandLS

it was an elimination based on linked pairs
12:32 pm
green

i was def able ot place the 9's without guessing
12:33 pm
RandLS

for me, it was one of those situations where you say "this box can be X or Y. if it's X, this box must be a 9. if it's Y, this same box must be a 9, so that box is a 9"
12:33 pm
RandLS

that's sort've guessing
12:33 pm
LeslieAnn

sounds logical to me!
12:33 pm
RandLS

hehe
12:33 pm
green

not a guess if you know it has to be 9
12:33 pm
green

sounds certain ot me
12:34 pm
RandLS

by the same logic, though, you could say that's how you solve the entire board. ;) "if this box is a 1, then the board cant be solved. if it's a 2, it cant be solved, etc, etc, etc
12:34 pm
RandLS

trial and error is still guessing
12:34 pm
LeslieAnn

but that would take a freaking long time
12:35 pm
RandLS

dunno. im still claiming victory. ;)
12:36 pm
LeslieAnn

yeah, good job!
12:41 pm
snlhartman

done.
12:41 pm
moedog

oh, this sucks!
12:46 pm
larrypalmer

I learned a new rule from this one that I've sensed before but never analyzed. If you have 4 squares that can be respectively: AB, AD, BC, BCD, then the second one (the AD) has to be A, because if it were D that would leave AB, BC and BC which would be impossible. Not sure how to state it in a general way though :)
12:46 pm
moedog

good one, larry!
12:48 pm
evanonut

wait - i dont' see it
12:48 pm
usagi

larry...if you had ab/bc/bc why couldn't it be a/b/c or a/c/b ? I'm not sure I follow
12:49 pm
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12:49 pm
larrypalmer

whoops let me think about that I may have got my letters confused /blush
12:51 pm
derfasaurus

AB, BC and BC... why is that impossible? it would just simplify to A, BC, BC
1:27 pm
M3

Thanks larry!!! not sure if i get it, lol
1:27 pm
M3


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1:31 pm
scribble

this is easier than yesterdays.
1:44 pm
scribble

well it was
1:48 pm
stubie

I've got 29 of 81 boxes filled with green!
1:51 pm
scribble

i dont like doing that.... it confuses me
1:53 pm
scribble

i cant figure out the 4s and 6s, but the 1s 3s and8s were pretty easy.
2:01 pm
hurshy

you pretty much have to use some greens on this because there are so many 4/6 pairs
2:08 pm
David Mitchell

It'd be fun if you could start over on a puzzle after completing it, so you could try other strategies
2:08 pm
David Mitchell

I solved it in the middle of the night :|
2:12 pm
Linda

i had to guess a 9 - but luckily guessed the right one!
2:12 pm
Linda

David - you're sad - going through the agony once a day is enough for most people!
2:14 pm
The Wac

hello!
2:20 pm
hurshy

it's the wac
2:20 pm
The Wac

you better believe it!
2:20 pm
The Wac

how's it going hurshy?
2:21 pm
hurshy

fine except slight cold
2:21 pm
David Mitchell

Heh, Linda
2:21 pm
The Wac

ah shucks. . thats no good
2:22 pm
David Mitchell

Aww, hurshy, hope you feel better soon
2:25 pm
hurshy

ty :)
2:27 pm
dageekkid

That puzzle shoulda been marked as simple :)
2:30 pm
The Wac

not all of us are as brilliant as you yet. . .but congrats! ;)
2:34 pm
Diane

strategy question: If one has a,b; a,c; and a,b,c - can anything be done?
2:36 pm
Psycho_Puppy

No.
2:36 pm
snic

You mean other than eliminating a, b and c from the other open squares?
2:37 pm
Diane

snic - no, they're the only 3 left open. (sorry, should have put that in my q.)
2:38 pm
snic

then psycho_puppy was right. you're stuck.
2:38 pm
Psycho_Puppy

You may have gone wrong somewhere along the line...
2:45 pm
Diane

no, psycho,I don't think something's wrong - ultimately, I can work it out, but just wanted to know if there was a trick (like a,b; a,b; a,b,c; - you can make the 3rd box c by eliminating a&b)
2:54 pm
The Wac

why is this one taking me so long!
2:54 pm
The Wac

i just don't understand!
2:55 pm
Diane

done - Ithought it was more difficult than yesterday's
2:55 pm
The Wac

good job
2:59 pm
The Wac

huzzah 2 points
2:59 pm
The Wac

unfortuantely i guessed
4:20 pm
scribble

yes! i'm unstuck! but i still have a lot to go....
4:20 pm
sebastienboisson

numbers numbers
4:21 pm
scribble

have you ever done a sudoku with letters?
4:23 pm
sebastienboisson

not yet
4:24 pm
sebastienboisson

hijo de hijo
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me neither but i think it would be more confusing.if thats possible.
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sebastienboisson

sorry
4:24 pm
sebastienboisson

key stuck
4:25 pm
scribble

haha i love when that happens! i dont know why....
4:27 pm
levi.b

hahahah
4:30 pm
sebastienboisson

that was fun but i'm still nervous
4:30 pm
scribble

why nervous?
4:31 pm
sebastienboisson

i'm going to go find more escapes
4:31 pm
scribble

what are escapes?
4:41 pm
scribble

i hate the fours!!
4:45 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

HiYa
4:45 pm
scribble

hey tasha!
4:46 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

Whats up did you finish yesterdays?
4:47 pm
scribble

no but i had this one almost done but i forgot to save a checkpoint when i went to babble so i have to start over.
4:47 pm
jojomnky

man i've been having a rough time with this stuff lately
4:47 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

oh i am sorry to hear that i almost finished yesterdays i had five more open spots lol but i had to sleep
4:49 pm
scribble

im determined to finish this one!
4:49 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

i am getting better because i have the bottom 3 big boxes down
4:50 pm
scribble

do you have any of the fors?
4:50 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

yeah i have a few down
4:51 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

would you like to know where my 4's are???? lol i will tell you if you want
4:52 pm
scribble

uhh...sure but i think that is cheating...
4:52 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

okay if you dont want to cheat then i wont tell you
4:53 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

the way i did it was that i just started to find a place to put the numbers in the very bottom row first and it just got better from there
4:54 pm
scribble

thinking hard...
4:56 pm
scribble

ok where is the 1 in the 3rd box down?
4:57 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

it is in the very left hand bottom corner i think that is the one you are talking about
4:58 pm
scribble

yes thank you that is one i lost with the checkpoint!
4:59 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

do you know where the 7 is in the very top left hand box?
4:59 pm
scribble

not yet but ill tell you when i get it
5:00 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

how bout the 4 in the top right hand box
5:00 pm
scribble

it has to be in the third row down (the7) and i dont have the for either
5:01 pm
mandi

don't give away answers!
5:01 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

i totally such
5:01 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

*suck
5:01 pm
kristinm5

Wooot...finished it in 10 minutes
5:01 pm
scribble

kristin i envy you
5:03 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

i do too
5:05 pm
scribble

dang it im gettin frustrated
5:09 pm
scribble

i have resorted to green numbers......:(
5:10 pm
jojomnky

arghi just botched it and i never saved
5:10 pm
scribble

i know hw you feel
5:14 pm
tom@chilcott.net

only been playing for a few games - this is the first one i've finished, but had to resort to green numbers to try out some locations for 4s and 6s. Got lucky and got it right first time - keep trying!
5:15 pm
scribble

thank you tom. but im still a little frustrated. im really good at these on paper, even the hard 16x16 puzzles.
5:16 pm
mandi

these are a lot harder than the ones on paper
5:17 pm
mandi

and the difficulty level often means nothing to me
5:17 pm
mandi

I can do the 16x16 on paper as well
5:17 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

what do you guys mean by the green numbers?
5:18 pm
hurshy

shift-click
5:18 pm
scribble

the 16x16 in my book has letters and it freaked me out, but its not as hard as it looks, its just tedious.
5:19 pm
scribble

green #s are possible answers hold shift when you click a #
5:19 pm
mandi

the 16x16 are tedious, these take some complex logic and strategy to solve
5:20 pm
scribble

both of which i lack
5:20 pm
mandi

currently me too
5:21 pm
casetheace

finished in 11 minutes
5:21 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

i dont get how you do the green number thingy
5:21 pm
mandi

read the How to Play
5:22 pm
scribble

when you click on a space to fill in with a number, hold shift and click a number
5:22 pm
mandi

you can put more than one number in a box (possibilities) by holding the shift key before clicking a number
5:23 pm
scribble

exactly
5:24 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

but why would you use the green numbers just to see what you can put there right?
5:24 pm
mandi

it helpos to eliminate during more complex stragies
5:25 pm
mandi

oops
5:25 pm
mandi

strategies
5:26 pm
scribble

personally, the green numbers confuse me.
5:26 pm
mandi

I use them liberally
5:27 pm
scribble

does that mean alot?
5:28 pm
mandi

yes, a lot
5:28 pm
mandi

And I'm done... good luck!
5:28 pm
scribble

sorry, imsp-ed
5:30 pm
scribble

tasha are you done yet?
5:32 pm
migrod

pfeewwwww...took a guess on a four and it worked....
5:32 pm
ali22blu

that one was pretty easy...
5:35 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

no i am not i have like 4 empty spaces left
5:36 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

are you scribble
5:37 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

i am starting over because i made a huge mistake on it
5:40 pm
scribble

OOH THAT REALLY SUCKS
5:40 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

i know
5:40 pm
scribble

sorry didnt mean to yell
5:41 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

its okay
5:47 pm
scribble

can you help me with the eights in the bottom first 2 boxes?
5:54 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

i think that the 8 in the botton left box is in the middle
5:55 pm
scribble

thanks i needed that desperately
5:56 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

are you almost done scribble
5:57 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

i only have like 4 more openings but i am so stuck its not funny jeeze GOSH this really sucks i almost got it
5:59 pm
scribble

IM GETTING THERE SLOWLY
6:00 pm
scribble

oops yelling again sorry......stupid caps lock
6:00 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

i gtg eat dinner but yeah i will try to be back to put numbers in those stupid 3 spots i have left to fill lol
6:01 pm
scribble

let me no if i can help
6:01 pm
NaTaShAMuCh

do you know what number can go in the middle of the bottom middle box that may sound confusing sorry if it does
6:03 pm
scribble

its either 5 or 6
6:04 pm
scribble

sorry im not much of a help
6:46 pm
jojomnky

finally
6:48 pm
scribble

did you finish?
6:48 pm
hurshy

how goes the sudoku, loly?
6:48 pm
dinoshadow

sleeping baby on chest, laptop battery about to die. Don't want to get up to plug it in - what to do what to do!
6:49 pm
lola

lots of gren numbers tonight hursh : /
6:49 pm
hurshy

mostly 4's and 6's :)
6:49 pm
lola

er, that should have been green :)
6:49 pm
lola

yup! : )
6:49 pm
hurshy

i know :)
6:50 pm
hurshy

(and you know i know, and i know you know i know)
6:51 pm
lola

..but i knew thatyou'd know that i'd know that you knew that i knew!
6:51 pm
hurshy

LOL
6:52 pm
lola

hursh, have you seen narnia?
6:52 pm
hurshy

of course
6:52 pm
lola

i haven't...yet! But there is a song from the movie called 'can't take it in'...do you know it?
6:53 pm
hurshy

hmm... it must have been wordless, i don't recall any singing... unless it was during the credits?
6:55 pm
lola

might be. it's just come on my iTunes and I wanted to tell you that I saw Imogen Heap (the singer of the song!) last week and she is fabulous. Check her out if you can : )
6:55 pm
hurshy

okie dokie :)
6:56 pm
dinoshadow

aaaaaaaugh!!!! thought my checkpoint was farther along than it was
6:56 pm
lola

there is an amazing line in the song...'every hair on my body, has a thing for this place'...love it! : )
6:56 pm
hurshy

:)
6:57 pm
hurshy

i have read the books like five million times...
6:57 pm
lola

i read them as a child but want to read them again. At the rate I'm going it will be to Izzy, lol! : )
6:58 pm
hurshy

well that will be fun!
6:58 pm
lola

i still check the back of old wardrobes... : )
6:58 pm
dinoshadow

lola, I am reading them to my 6 month old. Sje has no clue, but it teaches her language paterns, etc. She loves listening to me read them
6:59 pm
lola

dino, that's a great idea! Izzy is nearly four so will be ready to understand them soon : )
7:05 pm
dinoshadow

=)
7:15 pm
lola

yay, finally done!
7:21 pm
hurshy

congrats - but you're probly gone :)
7:48 pm
Cloclo1800

I gotta BOX! i know that sounds pathetec, but... whatevah
7:48 pm
asahi

yay! *claps*
7:48 pm
asahi

I wish I could say the same. >_<
7:49 pm
Cloclo1800

my brother is helping me, probably i wouldn't have gotten it without him cause im so impatient
8:00 pm
Dork

eii
8:00 pm
asahi

argh!
8:01 pm
asahi

I'm stuck!
8:14 pm
corey

hey all!!!!
8:19 pm
hardcore

hello
8:20 pm
decayer

hello
8:33 pm
anjelwithaj

hey
8:34 pm
hardcore

hi anjelwithaj
9:09 pm
hardcore

well i'm done that wasn't relly hard
9:17 pm
vonesh

what is with the 4, 5 & 6's..........
9:36 pm
wth

Yay... done.
9:37 pm
wth

That certainly took long enough.... I'm still ticked I had to guess. :-/
9:37 pm
Grendel

yeh
9:38 pm
wth

Good luck everyone!!! G'night, too.
9:50 pm
Grendel

woo, that wasnt so hard
10:19 pm
dinoshadow

woooo! When you sit and think about it, it is actually possible. I only had one guess =) My first puzzle
10:19 pm
dinoshadow

er... my first completed puzzle
10:20 pm
David Mitchell

It's actually possible without guessing
10:23 pm
dinoshadow

I'd love to talk to you about how on that one. My upper and lower right corners were where I had to guess.. is it the 4 or the 6? I didn't see anything that made it obvious.
10:25 pm
David Mitchell

Okay... let's see
10:25 pm
dinoshadow

(How do you see the puzzle again?)
10:26 pm
David Mitchell

I made two screenshots earlier
10:26 pm
David Mitchell

I don't know of another way
10:26 pm
dinoshadow

ah
10:27 pm
David Mitchell

I'm trying to recall where it broke for me
10:31 pm
David Mitchell

Sheesh, this is hard
10:31 pm
dinoshadow

hee!!
10:32 pm
David Mitchell

Did you have any boxes or rows or columns completed when you got stuck?
10:33 pm
David Mitchell

I had one, the first column, when I got stuck
10:34 pm
dinoshadow

Yeah, I had the first column done
10:35 pm
dinoshadow

Then there was an option in the last column where the two empty spots were either 4 or 6 and that is where I had to guess. But after that, it was smooth sailing
10:37 pm
David Mitchell

Well, that's the thing, they fell out for me
10:38 pm
David Mitchell

Hmm
10:39 pm
dinoshadow

Nice. This was the first one I actually sat to think about, so I'm sure I'll do better on the next one. It'll fall out for me at some point
10:40 pm
David Mitchell

I'm not trying to brag
10:40 pm
David Mitchell

I don't like guessing :)
10:40 pm
David Mitchell

Still haven't quite found what I found last night when I solved it, though
10:42 pm
dinoshadow

Oh, didn't think you were bragging - more experience playing here.. I don't like guessing, either, but at least it was one of 2 and I checkpointed right before. It was easy if I guessed the wrong one. Othertimes, I have totally FUBARed the whole thing and had to start over.
10:45 pm
David Mitchell

I'm going to start making a screenshot when I have my eureka moment
10:45 pm
David Mitchell

That would be more helpful
10:46 pm
dinoshadow

=)
10:51 pm
David Mitchell

Bah, I'm not going to find it tonight
10:51 pm
David Mitchell

I'll let you know if I figure it out again
10:52 pm
David Mitchell

I need sleep :)
10:52 pm
dinoshadow

Me, too - night!
10:53 pm
David Mitchell

G'night, y'all.