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Laos, the figures you quote are irrelevant really because the death toll is so high. If you rid the community of guns the Police have a far better chance of success, even those criminals with firearms would shoot less. Look around the world and see for yourself - UK, Germany, Australia etc.

Check out the attempted armed robbery video in New Zealand recently where a kebab shop owner simply ignores the robber, serves another customer and calmly walks away. The robber simply walks away with nothing. While it may be very amusing to watch, the simple fact is, if the shipowner had reached for a firearm under the counter he would have most likely been killed from a very tense gunman. Take the firearms away and you reduce the tension and therefore the threat level.

Sorry, meant it to be to Kaos not the Asian country that has endured so much yet the people have such broad smiles.

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Phil, you humor me. I would state that it is you who should look around the world as well. Look at how powerless the unarmed are to those which choose to do them harm. Look at all the cities where even the police fear to go. Look at history, most notably the histories of people disarmed by their leaders. Sure, if there were no guns for everyone then you would be wanting to ban knives, then sticks, then rocks then hands. Guns do not kill people - people do and have been doing so since long before there were guns. Look at world wide stats for weapons used in murders and violent crimes and see where guns stand. Your video is trivially countered by countless were armed patrons thwart the would-be criminal. Again, no one will ever sway another via messages on a sudoku board so this is as pointless as trying to convince me that Hillary is honest. You all have a great safe day.

With all those guns Americans can feel safe. Well, except in nightclubs, or at church, or at restaurants, or at the movies or walking the streets at night, or sending their seven year-old to school, or...

Is there a seriously held point of view which suggests 'if you take away the guns', then what???

Peace breaks out.

OH wait, that was not serious.

If the objective is to stop violence against people then start with cars...1,000 folks PER DAY die at the hands of another driver or their own hand, then go to cigs and alcohol at 500 per day, on the list, about in 6th or 7th place are guns at about 30/35 a day. My request is this: Please think before stating a solution. If a solution is completely untenable or does not address the cause then it is NOT A SOLUTION it's an ideal or a fantasy or a hallucination...

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I wonder if we would have more vehicular, cigarette and alcohol deaths if we didn't regulate their use at all? Has some regulation helped to save lives?

THat vein of 'serious' thinking would naturally lead to other similarly well thought out 'solutions' such as - If guns kill people, where is the outrage against cancer???? Why don't we outlaw cancer??

Perhaps a more meaningful objective would be to reduce intentional violence against people.

Yes, but since we can't outlaw cancer we do the next "best" thing. We outlaw foods thought to cause cancer, etc.

Yes, Yes, Yes. The problem in Chicago is lax law enforcement, not guns. B.T.W. it is not the police who are lax it is the judicial system that is not keeping criminals in jail.

Loribelle, "some"...I don't know how to measure that. Are the autobaun drivers better aka safer because they go 120mph than those in the US who drive a "safer" 55-70? Of course they are, THEY ARE GOING TO DIE if they do not know how to drive. You can bet there is NO ONE texting at 100mph, every driver is REALLY zoned in on what they are doing...why? because THEY are personally going to suffer the consequences for their actions.

Penguin: I agree that some discrimination still exists and is a problem for black people. But BLM is exploiting that for there own political ends. BLM was founded on a lie. "Hands up don't shoot" DID NOT HAPPEN.

TallMike...20 people died in a theater here in Denver...why? because the criminal KNEW he was THE ONLY ONE IN THE PLACE with a gun...he has NO deterent but rather is INVITED by default...if he knew he would get off one, possibly two rounds, I seriously doubt he would have walked in the exit in the front of the theater knowing he'd die in 8 to 10 seconds...any thought otherwise simple chooses to ignore how humans behave and think...

I agree with you lk911. I am just trying to focus on intentional violence. The discussion of deaths by vehicle impact etc. is an unhelpful distraction.

drwho: There are plenty of incidents on video that are easy to find, granted each is anecdotal evidence but they add up, which indicate that too often there are police who act as executioners. That is sufficient to cry out for justice. Asking for recognition that black lives matter is not a lie. It is a cry for an end to institutional racism that is used as a racist cudgel by many in certain media. Calling the victims of racism racist, as some here have done, instead of entering into a constructive dialogue is ugly.

People act from one of two places: heart - love affection acceptance, appreciation OR ego - fear, anger, control, etc...the intenional violence does NOT come from the heart...THERE IS THE ANSWER...when someone understands where they are operating FROM then there is a small change to change...that applies to every person on the planet...

Pen: SAYING BLACK is discrimination. It is racist. It is devisive...ALL LIVES MATTER IS a better more accurate moniker because that is truth...creating ANY DIVISION WORKS IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION...how is this missed????

Red lives matter?

white lives matter?

Oh...me, I dont see any difference between skin color...Hummm....really!!

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People who discriminate see, talk, speak, justify, pronounce, claim, THE DIFFERENCES. If someone is truly 'skin color blind' they will not CREATE discriminating segmentations which preference or penalize another (aka outside) group.

drwho, it has become irrelevant that "hands up, don't shoot" originated in a fabricated event. Whether you like it or not, those four words express one of the central beliefs of people who fear current police and law enforcement methods.

lk911: Calling for "All Lives Matter" instead of "Black Lives Matter" is heard as "step back in your place". There is nothing in black lives matter that says that other lives don't matter. Rather it is asking for acknowledgement of real discrimination on an institutional and individual level. After slavery, Jim Crow, and less blatant discrimination you ask that cries for justice be stifled. In doing so you are setting up a situation which will likely lead to even more marches, demonstrations, lawsuits, and anger. There is a path to a peaceful society but denying those who are justly aggrieved their reality sets obstacles in that path.

I disagree. The facts about the damage create by institution preferences is conveniently left out of the discussion. Facts about actual numbers of police shootings by category of skin color is also overlooked. Facts about proportionality of crimes is also not referenced. These are either leverage or dismissed based on the argument for or against creating discriminating policies which preference one group OVER another...it's been that way since 1965...a small "must be overlooked" fact. See until there is an aknowledgment of "what happened" which is accurate there will be no solutions which work...

and Marketing Slogans are not the answer by the way...

actually 'slogans' are much like social media, they disconnect people from engagement and action...what is someone going to answer "Black Lives DO NOT MATTER"... ok then..."I am AGAINST DEATH" no one on the planet is more against Dying that me... when people replace actions with words THEN there will be change...people who stand BEHIND words...I'd look closely at their intentions...because it's UNLIKELY it is aligned with the words they are speaking..

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Discussions about who shoots whom more often is pretty much beside the point. Shootings are big and splashy and make headlines and get people's attentions, but they are not the crux of the problem.

The crux of the problem is that police--and courts, and many laws, and our frigging HIGHWAY system--discriminate against black people. In many cases they were specifically, deliberately designed to do so.

Part of saying that "Black Lives Matter" is saying that we should, you know, stop putting black people in jail for crimes that white people do just as often but aren't punished as harshly for. That's just a minor example there.

HIGHWAY system???

Absolutely. Here's an interview with our current transportation secretary, wherein he discusses what the problems are, how they arose (hint: through deliberate choices), and what can be done to fix them:

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2016\n-03-31/transportation-secretary-anthony-foxx-\non-transportation-opportunity-and-the-legacy-\nof-the-u-s-highway-system

Can you summarize?

Highways were deliberately routed through poor (read: almost entirely black, because things were less integrated in the 50s than today) neighborhoods. In some cases the neighborhoods were separated, in others they were just leveled.

That's the very short version. If you want something short to Google, read about Robert Moses. He's only one example, but he was up front about what he was doing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_\nMoses#Legacy

Did it, no green, no guess. There's an "either way, can't be there" that opens it up.j

For those of you who really hate it: Here's an antidote to all this political talk that's been rolling around here.

"US government plans to use drones to fire vaccine-laced M&Ms at ferrets"

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/12/1\n2161792/ferret-candy-vaccine-drones-montana

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Interesting fact about violent crimes and race. If you look at the violent crime rates of unemployed african americans and unemployed whites they are statistically the same.

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Just caught a Spearow in my kitchen. WooHoo! :-)