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Thanks MrO that link is awesome. I especially like the title of the graph "Fewer children die as more money is spent on health"

It's rather pointless to discuss the name of the Affordable Healthcare Act because it does not exist. What does exist is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It is interesting to observe which federal departments or agencies use the full name, and which others tend to abbreviate it to the Affordable Care Act, as if Patient Protection is a triviality.

It's Bama-care, that is what folks who pay two to three times as much as before for less coverage with fewer options than in the past 5 decades...

I say that in jest of course, I am happy that gub-mint has form at National Proper Bath Room Sex Usage Agency to make sure the correct packages are behind each zipper or skirt... it's important we as a nation of 198,000,000 below average intelligence human form factors know their priorities.

Tuco, that investor who made 2200% return on investment by lobbying government can thank people like you who have given government the power to do that. If the had stayed within its Constitutional limits, that could not have happened.

I may need to point out that the National has 396mil people...

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Yea, government regulation of business. Boo, lobbyists.

But you wouldn't have lobbyist without government regulation!

drwho: Without regulations we wouldn't have clean air (thank you President Johnson) and clean water (thank you President Nixon).

Nonsense!

Your logic is as solid as saying penguins are bird, therefore penguins can fly.

Regulation of air quality is a local issue, for local government to regulate. The federal government is Constitutionally unable to regulate air quality.

B.T.W. Rights (inalienable, unalienable or otherwise) do not impose obligations on others. For instance, if health care was a right, that means someone is obligated to provide health care. Therefore health care is not a right.

Penguin, you were really saying, without federal regulation....

I accept that local government has the power to regulate business, but not the federal government. The Constitution does not grant that power.

drwho: Penguins can and do fly, but their atmosphere is water instead of air. Local regulations for air and water pollution cannot work because pollution is not confined to the point of origin. Thus the wisdom of state and federal regulations. The question of constitutionality is contentious and falls under the Commerce Clause as activities that "substantially affect" interstate commerce. I'm sure we will continue to disagree just as the courts are sometimes on one side and sometimes on the other. Not nonsense, just the nature of government going through its proper deliberative processes.

TallMike, thanks for the correction. I should have been more complete in my use of the title but took poetic license. I agree that patient protection is important. Perhaps, someday that will occur along with affordability.

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Don't place lobby abuse at my feet. I want the money OUT of politics. Your argument is like "If she wasn't wearing that outfit she wouldn't have gotten attacked."

I have always wanted a Penguin. A Rock Hopper. Probably not good pets though.

Anyone ever play trivia at #Trivia on DalNet?

Anyone watch Mr. Robot?

tuco: If you're adopting .... ;-)

I wish I could. We have 3 cats and 2 kids in college. Oooof

I can't wait for the cats to die and the kids to go back to school. :-)

And I like cats and like my kids.

Penguin, your point about pollution is well taken here. Don't know how close you are to PA but I am less than 10 miles from the NY/PA border. I am very glad NYS has effectively banned Fracking here but the Susquehanna runs through from NY to PA and back again in my County before returning to PA in the next County to the west.

It would be just Binghamton's luck. Home of Rod Serling and the Toxic Tower.. http://wnbf.com/binghamton-biggest-indoor-env\nironmental-disaster/ to have the Susquehanna set on fire.

I know, I know, it will probably never happen. But you never know.

Endicott is the corporate birthplace of IBM. It is 10 miles to the West of Binghamton. IBM is no longer in Endicott. https://www3.epa.gov/region02/waste/fsibmend.\nhtm

tuco: I'm entire too close to Manhattan with all of the pollution (superfund sites, etc.) that it implies. The air here is foul and the water tastes bad enough that I filter and then distill before drinking or cooking with it.

Yeah. I lived in Long Beach and Brooklyn for 18 months in 1979-1980. in 1985-1986 I went to Rio de Janeiro 3 times. The last time for 3 months. The ocean was as polluted as they are reporting now in Rio but when I landed back at JFK and visited my friends in Brooklyn I was disgusted. I stay away from NYC anymore. It depresses me. I loved it when I was living there but not so much now.

I was in the Midwest during the years you cite. Cleaner air and tastier water. This part of the country is far too crowded for my taste. But this is where my partner is employed so I am here. <p>No fracking is a good start, but a lot more needs to be done to keep the quality of life reasonable. That means a lot more regulations and, perhaps more important, funding of agencies so that they can enforce regulations extant.

This one really picks up steam. I had hardly got through the first numerical order survey when it was finished. 9.

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