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Difficulty: Easy Sunday, April 8, 2007

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CHAT LOG for Sunday, April 8, 2007

12:28 am
pthomp

hello all from AZ
12:28 am
AFShortie

hello from Las Vegas
12:29 am
raggedyandy3478

hello from Atlanta
12:38 am
WHB

Done
1:42 am
peternl

hi all
1:45 am
peternl

very easy
3:33 am
h

go
3:44 am
h

27 left to go, but im sick and cant see any more - going green...
3:46 am
h

done
6:41 am
franebrown

not easy
6:57 am
drwho

Difficulty score 24. Perhaps a little harder than the average Easy.
6:57 am
franebrown

definitely (for me anyways)
6:58 am
drwho

Patience, all you really need to know is cross-hatching.
7:02 am
franebrown

Finally! Found a couple of hidden pairs. Got to re-read the definition of cross-hatching once again. Thanx.
7:03 am
franebrown

I meant finally finished.
7:03 am
drwho

Yup, I saw a pair, then I realized that I would have learned the same thing by cross-hatching.
7:03 am
drwho

Whatever gets you the answer.
7:04 am
franebrown

Agree!
7:11 am
Andy

ugh... just finished a hard from the archives which was brutal.
7:11 am
Andy

Now on to today's...
7:36 am
smooth_pappa

good morning!
7:36 am
smooth_pappa

go!
7:39 am
spreadeagle

go
7:40 am
Andy

done
7:40 am
smooth_pappa

well done andy!
7:40 am
Andy

Cross hatching only, no greens. Takes time and patience, that's for sure
7:40 am
smooth_pappa

yeah... seems to be a sticky patch or two
7:41 am
Andy

And now, off to start all the easter sunday fun (aka "Why is it again I can't sit in my PJs and do Sudoku all morning again?")
7:42 am
smooth_pappa

done
7:44 am
spreadeagle

Done. No greens, just crosshatching.
8:02 am
chebuctonian

hello :)
8:09 am
chebuctonian

done - odd pattern, but it turned out easy after all :)
8:43 am
Atalante

easy peasy
8:47 am
ypsigirl

done
10:05 am
spellacked

done, greenfree
10:10 am
abstract17fr

hello there and .. Happy EASTER !
10:11 am
smooth_pappa

happy easter, abstract!
10:15 am
abstract17fr

nice pic pappa ;-)
10:16 am
abstract17fr

done and go :)
10:17 am
smooth_pappa

thanks abstract, it was on a photo shoot with a firend of mine... he snapped that one while I was looking at my next shot :)
10:18 am
abstract17fr

:)
10:18 am
abstract17fr

ok .. I have to go now :( see u next time pappa
10:18 am
abstract17fr

Bye everybody
10:19 am
smooth_pappa

bye abstract!
2:07 pm
night_walker_52

Afternoon Andy, are you working in the archives?
2:07 pm
Andy

Yep
2:07 pm
night_walker_52

Me too, I
2:07 pm
Andy

Waiting for the water to boil for egg decorating :)
2:08 pm
night_walker_52

Me too, I'm on May 4th, how about you?
2:08 pm
Andy

April 26, 2006
2:09 pm
night_walker_52

I didn't do that stuff with my kids this year.
2:09 pm
Andy

We're decorating today rather than having done it earlier.
2:09 pm
Andy

We're decorating today rather than having done it earlier.
2:10 pm
night_walker_52

Didn't give them an egg hunt this year either, I think they got ripped off :)
2:10 pm
Andy

We did the egg hunt at school. Good enough. He did a basket hunt this morning (left a trail of clues around the house which assembled into a treasure map).
2:12 pm
night_walker_52

That sounds like fun. We did treasure hunts when the kids learned how to read. They had a blast.
2:13 pm
Andy

Now it's boil the eggs then my wife will do the decorating while I do more sudoku or, perhaps, a short coma and then I make easter dinner. Then another coma. :)
2:15 pm
night_walker_52

That will be a nice treat for your wife. I love it when mine cooks supper for me.
2:15 pm
Andy

later... or sooner... but not now :)
2:15 pm
night_walker_52

We're going out for supper.
3:13 pm
Andy

Right now, I'm wishing we were going out to supper. Too darn tired to cook
3:23 pm
night_walker_52

did your kids wake you up to early for their hunt?
3:25 pm
night_walker_52

Am I ever having a hard time with this one. It's only a medium and I'm stuck.
3:42 pm
Andy

He did wake me early. But we were already up. I was already on this site :)
3:42 pm
Andy

Just staretd the hard from April 27
3:43 pm
night_walker_52

I can't figure out this medium from May 4, I might have to start over.
3:44 pm
Andy

:(
3:56 pm
Andy

You got me curious...t rying the may 4 now
3:57 pm
Andy

lovely... no 1s to start...
4:03 pm
Andy

found 14 though cross hatching. Now starting on intersections (and more cross hatching)
4:14 pm
Andy

Got 16 but am stuck now. Going green.
4:26 pm
Andy

Break time. Gotta cook easter dinner... finish this later
4:40 pm
UnikeTheHunter

Go.
5:09 pm
UnikeTheHunter

Done. No greens. Two loners. Lots of needs thought.
5:58 pm
night_walker_52

Are you back yet Andy?
6:05 pm
night_walker_52

I think I found an xy chain
6:08 pm
smooth_pappa

hello hello... looks like i'm not the only one working on the archives tonight, huh?
6:10 pm
night_walker_52

nope
6:10 pm
smooth_pappa

I just started on 12/21's expert
6:11 pm
night_walker_52

I'm having trouble with May 4th's
6:11 pm
smooth_pappa

i'll have a look after this one
6:19 pm
smooth_pappa

going green
6:20 pm
smooth_pappa

and done
6:21 pm
OrangeSlice

Working Nov. 8th here.
6:21 pm
smooth_pappa

ok... may 4 let's see
6:25 pm
smooth_pappa

youre right... it is sticky
6:26 pm
night_walker_52

working intersection removal again
6:28 pm
OrangeSlice

Look for xwings and unique rectangles, typically those are what you need for the tougher mediums.
6:28 pm
night_walker_52

okay
6:34 pm
smooth_pappa

i got it done but don't ask me how
6:34 pm
OrangeSlice

I might have to green this one.
6:34 pm
smooth_pappa

i did
6:37 pm
OrangeSlice

Maybe not. Just found a quad-xwing to solve two cells, might be the key.
6:38 pm
OrangeSlice

It broke one of the intersections.
6:38 pm
night_walker_52

I'm at 22 numbers
6:38 pm
smooth_pappa

well done! i need to brush up on those strategies
6:41 pm
OrangeSlice

hmm, nope, I'm going to have to green this one.
6:41 pm
Andy

back
6:41 pm
smooth_pappa

hey andy
6:41 pm
Andy

I have 16 filled in (not counting the originals)
6:41 pm
Andy

Still working May 4.
6:42 pm
night_walker_52

Who was your supper Andy?
6:42 pm
night_walker_52

Who was your supper Andy?
6:42 pm
night_walker_52

How :)
6:42 pm
Andy

Good. My son who insisited he hates ham liked it :)
6:42 pm
night_walker_52

I laugh at myself
6:42 pm
Andy

I love the "one bite rule"
6:43 pm
Andy

I keep thinking I'm finding x-wings and then not so much.
6:43 pm
night_walker_52

Me too. I have a really fussy daughter tho
6:45 pm
Andy

You have 22 filled in? Where on earth did you find the extra six? :)
6:45 pm
OrangeSlice

The '6' in left-center give you two xwings, one vertical along the center, and the elimination from that generates another along the top three boxes that solves two cells in R3.
6:46 pm
OrangeSlice

You get a 6 and a 1 out of it.
6:47 pm
Andy

Well, I have the 6 solved in the left center and I have no x-wings in the center.
6:48 pm
Andy

And the only two unsolved I have in R3 are a 1-6 naked pair
6:48 pm
night_walker_52

I did it
6:48 pm
OrangeSlice

You may need to fill in other cells before the combo becomes apparent.
6:48 pm
Andy

therein lies my problem :)
6:48 pm
OrangeSlice

You need to look both down and right from the '6' to get the first vertical xwing.
6:50 pm
OrangeSlice

I should diagram this actually, it's not too often you have an xwing that makes another xwing that solves some cells.
6:51 pm
Andy

No x-wings there. Not at present, anyway.
6:52 pm
Andy

R6C4 has 3 greens and only of them has a single match in that row and all of them have multiple matches in the column.
6:52 pm
night_walker_52

if your still at 22 numbers, try intersection removal again
6:52 pm
Andy

I'm at 16 numbers...
6:53 pm
night_walker_52

there in an xy chain in the bottom
6:53 pm
Andy

In mine, the only 3 open cells in the button have 3 possibilities in each.
6:53 pm
Andy

(the same three)
6:54 pm
night_walker_52

there was 4 numbers involved, going across the bottom then up on the right to the middle box something like that
6:55 pm
Andy

In my case, the possibilities are ABC in all thee bottom cells. Moving up the right edge, it's ABC ABC and then the top cell is AC.
6:56 pm
smooth_pappa

jeez... I hate it when I rush through an easy and find out I made a mistake.
6:58 pm
Andy

Gotta put the sprout to bed. Time for his next chapter in Prince Caspian. bbl.
6:58 pm
smooth_pappa

ooh good book!
6:59 pm
OrangeSlice

here we go
6:59 pm
OrangeSlice

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7862/crazy
xwingli8.png
7:00 pm
OrangeSlice

Blue denotes the 'root' cell that causes all the havoc, red is where there can not be a 6, green is where there could be. arrows are there for attempted clarity.
7:00 pm
OrangeSlice

We can see from this that the '6' in the left-center gives us the '6' in the top-right, and completes that row. lol
7:01 pm
smooth_pappa

lol jeez!
7:01 pm
OrangeSlice

hehe
7:02 pm
smooth_pappa

here' my attempt at art. ;_
7:02 pm
smooth_pappa

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/smooth
_pappa/tempest.jpg
7:03 pm
OrangeSlice

very nice
7:03 pm
smooth_pappa

yeah, but it doesn't help me when I'm stck in a sudoku ;)
7:06 pm
smooth_pappa

i mean... thanks lol
7:08 pm
OrangeSlice

If you can understand that, you will start seeing xwings a lot more often.
7:10 pm
OrangeSlice

And also the possible relationships between cells that can't directly see each other.
7:11 pm
smooth_pappa

i do some of that in my head, but i don' necessarially know the names for those strategies
7:14 pm
OrangeSlice

A lot of people are like that actually.
7:15 pm
smooth_pappa

good! makes me feel a little better
7:15 pm
OrangeSlice

I was for quite a while, but when I got really into sudoku I started trying to learn more complicated techniques and the names for the stuff I already did.
7:16 pm
OrangeSlice

And now I'm one of those crazy sudoku people.
7:17 pm
smooth_pappa

lol I'm an addict, but i haven't gotten up to that level yet
7:18 pm
smooth_pappa

but after today, I should be out of the newbie rankings
7:26 pm
night_walker_52

finally the bus left, now I can play some more sudoku :)
7:26 pm
OrangeSlice

So let's see... May 4 took me three xwings and two unique rectangles. But, it is done.
7:27 pm
night_walker_52

Lucky you Smooth_pappa, I might be out of the newbies the day after, hopfully
7:29 pm
smooth_pappa

heh... well, I've tackled a LOT of archives today
7:29 pm
smooth_pappa

it's been a good relaxing day
7:33 pm
night_walker_52

this will be my 2nd archive for today, May 4th took me most of the day. :(
7:34 pm
night_walker_52

Do you guys watch curling?
7:34 pm
OrangeSlice

What's that?
7:35 pm
night_walker_52

Curling
7:35 pm
night_walker_52

you know, when you shoot rocks down a sheet of ice.
7:36 pm
night_walker_52

Glen Howard won the Gold
7:37 pm
OrangeSlice

I must be out of touch.
7:38 pm
night_walker_52

you have never heard of Curling?, Where do you live?
7:38 pm
OrangeSlice

Seattle, Washington.
7:39 pm
smooth_pappa

curling! where I grew up my high school went to curling nationals quite often
7:39 pm
smooth_pappa

or maybe it was state... I'm not sure there is a high school nationals. lol
7:39 pm
smooth_pappa

I obviously didn'tpay that much attention to it, but I did have a gym class in curling
7:39 pm
night_walker_52

that cool
7:40 pm
night_walker_52

bad spelling tonight or what
7:41 pm
smooth_pappa

me? yeah... I just got a new keyboard with small keys... I dumped coffee all over my other one. I'm still not used to this thing
7:42 pm
night_walker_52

No, hehe, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about myself:)
7:42 pm
smooth_pappa

oh... lol
7:42 pm
smooth_pappa

nevermind
7:43 pm
night_walker_52

How about hockey, did anyone watch the game today?
7:43 pm
smooth_pappa

no i didn't... I am a huge hockey fan, though... who played?
7:44 pm
night_walker_52

Islanders & New Jersey
7:44 pm
smooth_pappa

ahhh... I'm a blues fan myself
7:45 pm
night_walker_52

I'm guessing since your asking you don't know who won then.
7:45 pm
night_walker_52

Are you talking about the blue jays?
7:45 pm
smooth_pappa

I don't... but... if I had toguess, I'd say jersey
7:46 pm
night_walker_52

lol
7:47 pm
smooth_pappa

is that right?
7:48 pm
night_walker_52

Be back later, I have to clean up the restaurant.
7:49 pm
Andy

back
7:49 pm
smooth_pappa

welcome back
7:51 pm
Andy

working on orange slice's graphic and seeing if I can make sense of it
7:51 pm
smooth_pappa

yeah... didn't make a whole lot of sense to me... somewhat, though
7:52 pm
OrangeSlice

Sorry heh. Not sure if I can explain it any better.
7:53 pm
smooth_pappa

not your fault, slice... lol I think the newcastle I'm drinking is giving me a mental blocvk ;)
7:53 pm
Andy

Oh, love newcastle... the fact I have none is now making me sad
7:54 pm
smooth_pappa

Normally, I try to drink local brews, since wehave so many to choose from here in wisconsin... but I didn't have much time when I went out today, and that's what was available... not that Idon't love it, though... it's quality stuff!
7:57 pm
Andy

I lost some of my work... accidentally went to another page and came back and lost some numbers...trying to work back to where I was before I did that
8:03 pm
Andy

OK, I understand how you resolve the 16/16 in the top row. Got it
8:03 pm
Andy

Thanks!
8:03 pm
Andy

Now,when i return from helping the mrs. with the laundry, I'll see what that broke open...
8:03 pm
OrangeSlice

I had to use one more xwing (with 1's) and also two unique rectangles, following that, to finish the puzzle.
8:14 pm
Andy

Need to reduce the number of 1 possibilities before I can find any x-wings on them...
8:23 pm
Andy

got it. Never did see the x-wings on 1s but I did fine a unique rectangle.
8:23 pm
Andy

Maybe there was an x-wing on 1 but I was able to cross-hatch them all away before I noticed it
8:24 pm
Andy

Finally finished it. That was the hardest one I've seen here yet. Strangely enough
8:25 pm
Andy

Time to stop this horrible obsession and play something far less addicting. Like warcraft.
8:30 pm
helenkeller

go
8:43 pm
bloodaxe

woo-hoo sudokuuuuu
10:32 pm
OrangeSlice

Whew, made it through June 27.
10:39 pm
moedog

hi everyone
10:42 pm
moedog

woo hoo!