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Difficulty: Easy Thursday, April 12, 2007

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CHAT LOG for Thursday, April 12, 2007

12:56 am
WHB

Done
3:13 am
h

go
3:23 am
kixx

go
3:34 am
h

done
3:43 am
kixx

done
5:06 am
mimisan

HI
6:55 am
smooth_pappa

go
7:02 am
smooth_pappa

go
7:02 am
smooth_pappa

i mean done
7:02 am
smooth_pappa

wow! looks like I need more coffee
7:55 am
ypsigirl

LOL!
8:17 am
ypsigirl

done
8:17 am
ypsigirl

took me a bit longer than necessary...
8:17 am
ypsigirl

slow start to the morning... caffeine!!!!!!!!
10:01 am
moedog

hi, everyone
10:04 am
moedog

done
10:29 am
UnikeTheHunter

Great. An easy one on a day when I don't want to spend much time at sudoku.
10:54 am
UnikeTheHunter

Done. I missed two loners. Needed greens to find them. Otherwise just crosshatch.
11:33 am
frogprincess

wahoo i did it.....
11:39 am
eyeman

congratulations frogprincess
12:08 pm
Jazz

hi
1:29 pm
RodeoRogue

go
1:43 pm
RodeoRogue

done! no greens, but kept missing the obvious
2:26 pm
drwho

Difficulty score 32. The computer says that cross-hatching is the only technique you need. I simply couldn't see it today.
2:50 pm
Minski

Done! Easy but had to use greenies.
3:04 pm
bunnyvicious

go
3:11 pm
bunnyvicious

done
3:17 pm
helenkeller

go
3:25 pm
helenkeller

restart
3:37 pm
helenkeller

done
3:37 pm
helenkeller

easy, but geez did i confuse myself!
4:17 pm
Leigh

i love it when lansing talks about his youthful days.
4:17 pm
Gr8-H8

Like when Lisbon was in Spain.
4:18 pm
Leigh

oh, i missed that one
4:18 pm
Leigh

i was fighting with my computer, it was having issues.
4:18 pm
Leigh

seems to be working now, though
4:18 pm
bloodaxe

hey leigh
4:18 pm
snppngtrtle

Did your communist cats infiltrate it again?
4:18 pm
snppngtrtle

DOUG!
4:18 pm
Gr8-H8

Get a Mac!
4:19 pm
Leigh

i think we should start calling him Professor "Sparky Duff" Lansing
4:19 pm
bloodaxe

BABANA!!!
4:19 pm
Leigh

i've thought about getting one. i might for my next new computer, now that Vista is out.
4:19 pm
Strider_45

lol
4:19 pm
Leigh

also, hi doug :-)
4:19 pm
snppngtrtle

hehe Sparky Duff
4:19 pm
Gr8-H8

lol
4:19 pm
Strider_45

hi there
4:20 pm
Leigh

woooo, torts sudoku party!
4:20 pm
bloodaxe

hey babana...have i talked to you about me moving in with walla yet?
4:20 pm
snppngtrtle

Yay
4:20 pm
Leigh

i see siobhan is online too
4:20 pm
snppngtrtle

Yeah you have. Have you made a decision?
4:21 pm
bloodaxe

ok.
not yet.
i couldn't remember if i talked to you yet, so i wanted to get your opinion.
4:22 pm
snppngtrtle

Of course, my opinion is that you should move to Portland...
4:22 pm
bloodaxe

oh yea...that's right.
4:27 pm
Leigh

for some reason whenever he says "incipient" I keep thinking "insipid"
4:29 pm
Gr8-H8

If the kind of harm risked is "insipid," if you get bored to death, the person who bored you to death would be liable.
4:29 pm
Gr8-H8

Right?
4:30 pm
snppngtrtle

Would that be an intentional or negligent tort?
4:30 pm
Leigh

depends on whether the person knows they're boring, i think
4:30 pm
snppngtrtle

I mean, if it's your aunt making you look at vacation photos, that's intentional, right?
4:31 pm
Gr8-H8

I think that would be a fact-based determination appropriate for a jury.
4:31 pm
Leigh

i concur.
4:32 pm
snppngtrtle

Remember that South Park where the serial killer makes Cartman look at photos of him in at the Grand Canyon?
4:33 pm
snppngtrtle

I think that's the tort of boring
4:35 pm
snppngtrtle

your mom's the tort of boring
4:35 pm
snppngtrtle

beat ya to it, Andy
4:36 pm
Gr8-H8

Your mom beat ya to it.
4:36 pm
snppngtrtle

nice
4:38 pm
Leigh

it freaks me out whenever he calls on ms. lee
4:40 pm
Leigh

what are you doing tonight, ana?
4:40 pm
snppngtrtle

My taxes. blah
4:40 pm
snppngtrtle

Shouldn't take too long though.
4:40 pm
Leigh

ewww. but also, good idea.
4:41 pm
Leigh

i STILL haven't done my FAFSA, might as well do them both tonight.
4:41 pm
snppngtrtle

uh oh
4:41 pm
Leigh

yeah...
4:41 pm
Gr8-H8

I did my FAFSA online, and it took 10 minutes. Including remembering my freakin' password!
4:42 pm
snppngtrtle

The school sent me something saying they needed my tax return to give me financial aid. I don't recall them needing it last year.
4:42 pm
Leigh

really? last on i did took FOREVER
4:42 pm
Leigh

you probably got randomly selected for auditing
4:42 pm
snppngtrtle

Oh that stinks
4:42 pm
snppngtrtle

I didn't know they did that.
4:44 pm
Leigh

the school hasn't sent me anything yet going "um, we don't have your fafsa"
4:44 pm
Leigh

so hopefully it's not a problem that i haven't done it yet
4:45 pm
Leigh

i do still have my old PIN for it, though, so hopefully that'll make things speedy.
4:45 pm
Gr8-H8

I got something in the mail to that effect about three weeks ago. The FAFSA's not due until the beginning of June (or maybe July).
4:45 pm
snppngtrtle

It isn't, except you will have a lower chance of recieving subsidized loans, like the Perkins.
4:45 pm
Leigh

yeah, but to get priority for financial aid you need it sooner
4:46 pm
Leigh

yeah
4:54 pm
snppngtrtle

Oh no I'm going to run out of puzzles!
4:54 pm
Leigh

lol
4:54 pm
Leigh

you're just too much of a ninja
4:57 pm
snppngtrtle

I might make it to the end of the semester if I stop working on sudokus outside of class.
4:57 pm
Leigh

yeah, i only do them in class
5:01 pm
bloodaxe

this medium is kicking my butt.
5:03 pm
snppngtrtle

You should join the "I hate mediums" club
5:03 pm
bloodaxe

sweet. is there one?
5:03 pm
snppngtrtle

I think there's an unofficial coalition
5:04 pm
bloodaxe

i think i'm just too tired. that and i've been playing sudoku all day.
5:04 pm
snppngtrtle

really?
5:04 pm
snppngtrtle

Back still hurting?
5:04 pm
bloodaxe

plus i've been watching "trailer park boys" for the past 3 days...so i think they're rubbing off on me.
5:04 pm
bloodaxe

yea...my back's in rough shape.
5:04 pm
bloodaxe

it's better today though.
5:04 pm
snppngtrtle

Uhhhh... what is that? And do I really want to know>
5:05 pm
snppngtrtle

that's good
5:13 pm
snppngtrtle

Argh the medium I'm doing is really tough too.
5:14 pm
bloodaxe

which one are you doing?
5:14 pm
Leigh

i'm gonna try the april 9th expert
5:14 pm
snppngtrtle

August 27
5:14 pm
Leigh

i heard it was a bad one
5:14 pm
bloodaxe

dang...i'm on july 30th.
5:14 pm
bloodaxe

do you ever use the x-wings and stuff?
5:15 pm
snppngtrtle

Use your Reagan smash!
5:15 pm
snppngtrtle

I try, but I'm not very good at spotting them
5:15 pm
Leigh

lol
5:15 pm
bloodaxe

Reagan Smash!
5:16 pm
bloodaxe

i don't even understand how to use those things...i wish i had the patience and time to figure them out.
5:16 pm
Leigh

i don't know what they are, but i've seen people talk about them
5:17 pm
UnikeTheHunter

Xwing is really easy. There's a web site that explains them.
5:17 pm
Leigh

so i've heard.
5:17 pm
brianarn

Xwings make sense, I just struggle to see them show up :D
5:18 pm
snppngtrtle

Yeah, I have the same problem. I look for them from time to time, but I just don't see them.
5:18 pm
UnikeTheHunter

I've used Unique Rectangle several times. It's easy to see, a bit more difficult to understand.
5:19 pm
brianarn

I have a BS in CS, with a minor in math -- my mind is logically geared, so a lot of 'em make sense mathematically and logically -- it's just actually seeing the pattern still that I'm working on, but I'm getting pretty good at finding singles quickly and such
5:19 pm
Leigh

lol, Lansing just said "Derdiarian" only I heard "dirty aryan"
5:20 pm
snppngtrtle

Wow Leigh, I heard the same thing!
5:20 pm
Leigh

heh. damned nazis.
5:21 pm
snppngtrtle

I used swordfish once, but the only reason I got it was because someone mentioned in the chat log which numbers it affected.
5:21 pm
Gr8-H8

I try to pay attention to class for one second, and this turns into some combination of "Star Wars" and Hitler. Never a dull moment, I guess.
5:21 pm
brianarn

I think I did the same with that once
5:22 pm
brianarn

I'm glad I didn't have internet access during my classes - gaming on my laptop was distracting enough, I don't know how I'd have passed anything had I been on the 'net :D
5:23 pm
Leigh

yeah, we're a pretty sorry lot. Tuesdays and Thursdays, 2-4, we have Sudoku class with Professor Lansing.
5:23 pm
snppngtrtle

Shows how much we care for the law.
5:24 pm
snppngtrtle

At least Torts, anyway.
5:24 pm
Gr8-H8

Law, schmaw.
5:24 pm
Leigh

well, the law of torts, anyhow
5:24 pm
Leigh

lol. Today our legal writing prof mentioned how torts doesn't matter.
5:24 pm
snppngtrtle

The law is stupid.
5:24 pm
bloodaxe

shoot...the last one for july and it's an expert...
5:24 pm
Leigh

since you have to look up the law every time anhow.
5:25 pm
snppngtrtle

Yeah we're not even really learning anything, just how to learn things.
5:25 pm
brianarn

Oho - funny enough, I just had a unique rectangle pop out at me on December 13ths medium. Maybe I just need to talk about what I'm looking for. :D
5:25 pm
snppngtrtle

Reagan smash, Bloodaxe!
5:26 pm
spazzy

go
5:26 pm
snppngtrtle

Is that like and x-wing, brianarn?
5:27 pm
snppngtrtle

*an x-wing
5:27 pm
brianarn

Mmm... kinda sorta
5:28 pm
brianarn

Let's say you have four squares -- like R4C3, R4C6, R7C3, and R7C6
5:28 pm
brianarn

They're the corners of a box
5:28 pm
brianarn

Now, say all four boxes contain the same pair of numbers - we'll use 1 and 7, since that's what I saw in this one here (although those aren't the same row/col)
5:28 pm
Gr8-H8

Isn't an x-wing a spaceship?
5:29 pm
brianarn

If that is all those boxes contain, you don't have a unique solution, and therefore it's not a proper sudoku - but everything here is proper, so that's not a possibility
5:29 pm
brianarn

One of those squares - say the lower right one - may have extra digits. In this case, let's say that it's 178 and not just 17
5:30 pm
brianarn

Basically, you can say that since it's really valid if it's either a 1 or 7 but one of the being valid means the other could be valid just by switching the digits, you can actually eliminate them both
5:30 pm
brianarn

so that box with 178 as green choices loses both its 1 and 7, turning it into an 8, and a lot of times that'll start chains.
5:30 pm
brianarn

In this case on Dec 13, it started a chain reaction that finished out the rest of the puzle
5:31 pm
brianarn

They're not always necessary, but if you spot 'em, sometimes you can speed up the solution
5:31 pm
brianarn

At least, I do believe I've explained it right - that brainbashers.com site has a nice explanation
5:31 pm
snppngtrtle

Wow, that was a great explanation. Thanks!
5:32 pm
brianarn

Gladly :) It's a neat technique. That one and XY wing are both techniques I like but just about never spot in puzzles. :D
5:32 pm
spazzy

NO!!!! start over :(
5:33 pm
snppngtrtle

Yeah, I'm pretty much blind to anything more complex that hidden triples.
5:34 pm
snppngtrtle

But, occasionally an x-wing or xy chain pops out near the ends of a puzzle.
5:34 pm
snppngtrtle

*end
5:34 pm
brianarn

I haven't learned xy chain yet, I've done okay with out it so far, although I think drwho has said that he finds it to be much better than an xy wing, and easier to find
5:35 pm
snppngtrtle

For me, it seems an awful lot like guessing. I can never remember enough numbers, so I end up using reds anyways.
5:36 pm
snppngtrtle

I've only seen one puzzle where it was absolutely necessary.
5:37 pm
Gr8-H8

"Dirty Harriet"
5:37 pm
brianarn

Kills me - I can get through some experts with just a little thought, and then I hit my head on a medium. Arg.
5:38 pm
snppngtrtle

Same here. I wonder if there's a medium-level technique I'm missing or something.
5:40 pm
snppngtrtle

How's the Reagan smash going, Bloodaxe?
5:41 pm
bloodaxe

not too bad...but it's too soon to say.
5:41 pm
snppngtrtle

You need a profile, BA!
5:41 pm
brianarn

I used kind of a variant on the unique rectangles just now - the four corners all had 15 as choices, but the top two also had a 2, so I knew one of those two boxes was 2, and it cleared twos out of the rest of the row, which opened it up
5:42 pm
snppngtrtle

Nice
5:43 pm
snppngtrtle

Or a picture al least
5:43 pm
bloodaxe

i guess i can do that.
5:46 pm
spazzy

done - finally
5:50 pm
bloodaxe

dang....i need to start over.
5:50 pm
snppngtrtle

Torts over!
5:50 pm
snppngtrtle

bye everyone
5:51 pm
brianarn

Adieu :D
5:51 pm
bloodaxe

bye babana
5:59 pm
brittlefish.com

go
6:10 pm
brittlefish.com

done
9:11 pm
chebuctonian

hello!
10:22 pm
Andy

go