if trump calling nazis "very fine people" doesn't equate to a rise in white nationalism, then i'm not sure what does.

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Denise is in denial. She won't accept Trump's racism because she will then have to accept her own.

She like many others when it is pointed out that they support racism pulls out a victim card saying that is divisive talk. Truth hurts sometimes.

Stop calling it White Nationalism too. It is what it is, pure and simple. RACIST.

Hey Tuco, you are really good at spreading hate.

tuco, nobody accused Denise of supporting racism before your own three recent posts, and yet you say she played a victim card in response to the (non-existent) accusation. And you demand that she (or someone) must stop referring to White Nationalism, and yet nobody has mentioned that either.
Please return to reality.

Denise, Trump as POTUS makes comments that far right extremists use to embolden them into thinking they are somehow legitimate. They post vile extremist hatred and should be called out, yet he doesn't do so. I don't think I have got him wrong in the slightest.

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Denise, Ardern is holding a wounded nation together. As the ABC so eloquently put it - her approach - adopted so swiftly as to guarantee it's authenticity - has been to eschew partisan point-scoring and apply herself entirely to the task of holding a wounded nation together.

On Friday she took a call from Trump who asked what the US could offer to help. She responded "Sympathy and love for all Muslim Communities,"

After hanging up Trump tweeted - "We love you New Zealand!" and then fell into a 48 hour twitter orgy banging out 34 tweets and countless retweets on subjects ranging from the national emergency of immigration to his treatment by SNL.

Most pointedly while Trump was busy backing a commentator who equates the hijab with treason, the New Zealand PM was quietly donning a headscarf to visit stricken Muslim communities.

So Denise and others, explain to me how I've got Trump wrong.

Phil, what's wrong is that your opinions about Trump appear not to be based on all the currently available facts but rather on filtered facts and on opinions which you and others arrived at in the past and are reluctant to change. Trump has been remarkably successful in many of his efforts. Have you ever acknowledged any of them? Are you even aware of any? If so, please prove it by describing at least three.

Like all former Presidents of the US, Mr. Trump has had successes and failures. These are not relevant to his failure to condemn the violence of white supremacists. His ongoing dog whistles to racists, frequently seen in his tweets and in his lack of denouncing hatred of minorities, has me concerned.

Trump is divisive instead of inclusive. That is as far from Leadership of a multicultural society as one could get. And when the opportunity to show true leadership arises, he actually fails miserably.

Nice dodge, but a bit obvious.

At the moment, nobody should be dodging this issue.

It goes beyond borders, it encompasses the views of the world.

You requested an explanation, I gave you one, and invited you to disprove it with three examples. You're dodging, not me.

We should be coming together, not trying to drive us apart.

Well he hasn't had a lot of success in international diplomacy!

And he's made a mess of world trade.

Those aren't examples of a success. Focus, man.

Ah, I've thought of one - he demanded Boeing ground the 737 max planes - long after the rest of the world had already put safety above profits. - Sort of a success.

Womens rights, - has he done anything about maternity leave? No, can't use that.

Not very convincing so far. Keep trying.

I am thinking TallMike.

I think I am proving my point.

Government deficit?

Goy one - the most lies ever told by a POTUS

Right to a free hospital treatment?

Success in an effort is what we're looking for.

Enlighten me in his successes

You've failed miserably.

I'll look forward to the list, have to get some sleep is nearly 2am

The challenge is for you to come up with your list of three of Trump's genuine successes in order to disprove my explanation of what you have wrong about Trump. And you're still dodging. Doesn't that tell you something?

It tells me that you are continuing to distract from the point that President Trump fails to condemn white supremacists.

Research by the Brookings Institution found that 65% of his senior-ranking advisers had left their job within the two-year mark. That's considerably more than most of his recent predecessors. Success number 1, he is winning a numbers game.

President Trump's government shutdown was the longest ever at 35 days. Success number 2.

President Trump has won the prize for the most ludicrous world leader ever, making the USA the laughing stock of the world (mind you, the UKs illustrious Prime Minister is trying very hard to snatch that success from him). Success number 3

Thank you diggonda. By failing to list three genuine Trump successes in response to my challenge, you have provided further evidence for my contention that your (and Phil's) opinions about Trump are not based on all the currently available facts but rather on filtered facts and on opinions which you and others arrived at in the past and are reluctant to change.

At least Phil understood the challenge.

I understood the challenge perfectly. I just decided spurious answers were more amusing.

But here is an actual success for you - Trump’s sole legislative achievement: his massive, budget-busting tax cut. For many mainstream Republicans, this is what they live for. It will be hard to reverse. Which is to say it’s a further justification for the GOP’s going along with populist authoritarianism. No, the tax cut hasn’t proved an electoral godsend, unless you factor in its positive, short-term impact on economic growth. But it sure has helped reconcile the old GOP to the new one.

I was responding to this post from yesterday Denise: Phil you have Trump all wrong and your rhetoric causes more hatred and devisivenss. Maybe you don’t know as much as you think you do!

Anyone who still supports Trump has to accept the fact that they are supporting a racist white supremacist. If you support one, you have to take on the responsibility of being one yourself.

He has succeeded in increasing the trade deficit to the largest in history. Has succeeded in overtaking GWB as the worst President in history.

How did you like the Racist Irish post against Beto O'Rourke. Sure and begorrah you have to be kidding me. Be Best!

http://tinyurl.com/y3yq2c6v This from the GOP.

Bill Maher: Not all Republicans are racist, but all racists are Republicans.

Also remember when the media says Trump has an 88-90% approval rate among Republicans you have to understand that only 28% of Americans are Republicans.

Maher is wrong. While many/most vocal racists are Republicans, there are also many racists who are not. Racism is usually not overt. Most of us grew up in a racist environment and have not entirely escaped from it. Trumps verbal attacks on those who are Native American, Muslim, and others are fairly blatant. We who endeavor to not be racist sometimes are, see https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/betwe\nen-the-lines/201204/studies-unconscious-bias-\nracism-not-always-racists

Yes tuco, that's all Denise wrote. It wasn't in response to someone accusing her of supporting racism, it was simply a reply to Phil about him praising the New Zealand prime minister and contrasting her with some viciously ruthless world leaders - plus Donald Trump, as if he belonged in that group. And yet you recast the whole discussion as being about racism when you posted:
"Denise is in denial. She won't accept Trump's racism because she will then have to accept her own. She like many others when it is pointed out that they support racism pulls out a victim card saying that is divisive talk."
You picked on Denise by making stuff up. Cut it out, and apologize.

The democrats have a stellar non-racist history. Very clean, in fact one could say, "White as snow."

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Until the 1960s the Democrats were the more racist party. Then President Johnson pushed through the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968. In reaction the most racist of the Democrats, sometimes referred to as Dixiecrats, left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party. They were encouraged by then-candidate Nixon's Southern Strategy. So it is fair to say that Democrats were historically the racist party, but the racist party of the most recent half century is the Republican Party.

Right Penguin, I keep forgetting that Governor Ralph Northam and Representative Ilhan Omar are Republicans.

Sorry TallMike, I'm more awake now, so will answer in a constructive manner.

The problem in many instances regarding the US economy is actually attributing much to Trumps policies as economies perform by and large in spite of governments rather than because of governments and the problem with increasing GDP by massive tax cuts means you end up with a massive deficit which is as evident today as it ever was, yet the US public seem to think it's not a problem. It is, just not theirs. It will be their children. Same as allowing economic development at the expense of climate damage, defers the problem until later generations. So while his economic record can be portrayed as a success, there is much to also point to failure.

If I had to say his biggest success it would be keeping his promises. This is to be praised however I personally believe his policies are divisive and immoral. They make those who have money richer and do little if anything, and often at the expense of those who are very poor or disabled or who need medical treatment.

I'll have a look and see what I think are numbers 2 and 3. Yes there are achievements, however a lot of what's listed as achievements I find bizarre, e.g. moving the US embassy to Jerusalem - how is this an achievement - caused massive unrest around the world, more of a bully boy effort in keeping with his nature. How many good people are left or want to work for him? I'm off to work now. Will get back to you TM