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Welcome back drwho, wasn't the same without you. I think Melbournians who did the wrong thing, selfish and stupid things are responsible for the lockdown they are now in. It's not the other way round, and Australians in general believe that you look after your mates and act responsibly for the greater good health of others. Yes you have to make personal sacrifices but as we say, we're all in this together. Sadly your insistence on first amendment and second amendment rights are actually out of touch with this ideal so you get the likes of the NRA and gun toting maniacs, gangs etc thriving instead of a much less dangerous society here because we collectively realised the greater good was served by getting rid of most of our guns (except legitimate farm or sport use) after the Port Arthur massacre. Your interpretation of your own constitution clearly is part of the reason you're all in the mess you are in now.

Your freedom to say whatever you want to even if it is abhorrent to others needs reigning in. Freedom of speech is one thing, but hates-each, racism etc should not be tolerated.

Phil, freedom of speech includes hateful speech. Right now we have people using your logic claiming that pretty much anything they disagree with is hateful, or racist and must be silenced.

I did not mean that your logic says anything I disagree with is hateful, but that hateful speech must be silenced.

Similarly, you have so much fake news, you don't even know what's real anymore. Never disputed the fact that there are a small section of rioters doing the wrong thing in Portland. But law enforcement should be able to deal with them without blanket use of teargas on the clearly peaceful section of protestors. Nobody would be complaining if they did that. Abysmal use of force on peaceful protestors, or are you not allowed to peacefully protest if you disagree with Trump?

I have to disagree drwho, hateful speech, hateful extremists breed the terrorists we all despise. Left or right, all the same, you have to pick a line and say enough is enough, that's out of order. We do it with all laws, they are all a compromise, but that's the point of a civilised society. The current state of the US is anything but civilised.

When the first brick is thrown through a window the peaceful protest is over. Go home or you risk getting arrested with the rioters.

B.T.W. I have heard of peaceful protesters trying to stop the rioters and in some cases the rioter turn on them. There is something going on here that has nothing to do with police brutality.

Not surprising, anarchists hate to be told what to do by anyone. Buy you can't treat the peaceful protestors the same way. It's clearly political and highlights the extremeness of your current politics, stoked by a dangerous CIC

If you allow peaceful protests and clamp down on anarchy you get public support. If you suppress peaceful protest you get anarchy on a large scale. Clearly this is what Trump is stoking.

I agree that George Floyd was mistreated by the police. It probably amounts to 3rd degree murder or manslaughter. Mr. Floyd was mightily resisting arrest, which does not justify his treatment after the cuffs were on and he was on the ground, but it should be mentioned because you probably will never hear it from your news sources.

No it's not what Trump is stoking. He is clamping down on the violent rioters.

There is something you may not understand about American law enforcement. The Constitution does not give the Federal Government any police powers. It is not Trump's job to calm the riots in our Democrat run cities. However, if the mayors of the cities or the governors of the states don't do the job Trump may have to act. In Portland he sent in Federal officers to protect Federal property.

I agree on many fronts. Sadly your police find the need to pull a firearm and point it at a suspect who is unarmed because there are so many firearms in vehicles - 1 in 2 I believe. That's where it kicks off. Then you have the fear of being shot because he is black, again a legitimate fear. So you end up with a high level of tension. Then he's cuffed, no problem with that, but as soon as you get cuffs on, you are in control and you turn the suspect - and that's all he is at that point, onto his side and sit him upright. What you don't do is assist in his positional asphyxia by kneeling on him for 8 minutes.

Sorry I was replying to your George Floyd comment.

Phil, unlike what you have heard, in fact you are more likely to be shot by police in an arrest if you are white than if you are black.

Again, I don't dispute that fact, but clearly there is more than enough vision to see that if you are a violent offender the cool of your skin is not important, however I have seen far too many videos of police shootings of unarmed people of colour to see there is clearly a problem with your law enforcement training and also the heightened tension they are under because of the ridiculous amount of firearms, legitimate of otherwise in your society.

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Phil, I don't know anyone who has had the police pull a gun on them. That is not the default approach to someone they pull over for speeding or some other traffic violation. I don't know if they ever pulled a gun on George Floyd, but they probably didn't.

Watch their body cam footage, it's been release.

There is a false narrative being promoted by the BLM and Antifa organizations that the police and in fact our whole system is racist. It is not. There are racist individuals in the police, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Most likely I would agree, but there is also a huge amount of hurt and injustice that needs to be recognised and steps taken to remove. Much like the prejudice against the LGBTQI community has largely been recognised as wrong and steps taken to make for example places of work welcoming and not discriminatory. Antifa must be separated from BLM because the violent struggle antica represents is not what BLM is all about and why so many people support BLM from so many communities. It represents that the time for change has come and should be welcomed as the right way forward for all. But it would be wrong of me to put words in their mouths, we should instead be opening our ears, and listening to their stories. Hence why I said earlier what a profound pice of film freedom writers was, and why it deeply moved me.

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@crwho, I just mentioned Die Zeit to show how varied the news coverage can be. Remember that it was a comment on the question: "can I get your source on what you think is happening in Portland?" - suggesting that Phil's comment about the use of tear gas was incorrect. Congratulations that you can read German and have read all 26 article that refered directly to the demonstrations in Portland. Your comments about what they don't report show your bias. In fact they do, but they say that most protest(er)s are peaceful.

@drwho about covid - The higher number of deaths in NY is quite logical. In densely populated areas the so-called reproduction rate is a lot higher than in f.i. rural areas. Also it was early in the pandemic when test material was in short supply, so only the more severe cases were noted. So the ratio deaths/known cases is higher anyway, aggrevated by shortage of hospital beds.

The same effect is visible elsewhere: the earlier deaths/cases rates are higher because of limited testing.

As for Florida, there are some doubts about the completeness of their rep[orting.

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@drwho, you're incorrect. Please read this: https://tinyurl.com/y66muoox

Phil, you are so misguided it almost funny.

Not real easy, but I didn't notice much of a Medium trick. 16.

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