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12:05 am
Krys10
andy, how'd your finals turn out?
12:05 am
raggedyandy3478
its what i like to call miracles
12:05 am
raggedyandy3478
pulled out 3 A's and a B
12:05 am
Krys10
sweet! calculus?
12:06 am
raggedyandy3478
moved my GPA from 2.16 to 3.04, no oddly enough Psychology
12:06 am
Babbler
wow. well done, raggedyandy : )
12:06 am
raggedyandy3478
ty
12:06 am
Krys10
good job! I'm off for the night. Hi/bye all!
12:06 am
Krys10
Ooh, Babbler, I wanted to ask if I could have a theme for my birthday
12:06 am
raggedyandy3478
gnight krys
12:06 am
Babbler
nite, krys : )
12:07 am
Babbler
course you can!! when is it and what theme would you like?
12:07 am
Krys10
Bridges, September 4th
12:07 am
Babbler
I shall do it right now. I think we've had bridges, but I think it was last year.... brb.... : )
12:08 am
Krys10
Thanks so much!! by the time it rolls around this year, I'll have spent five weeks visiting bridges all around the US and Canada.
12:08 am
Babbler
done : )
12:09 am
Babbler
wow, that's quite something, Krys. I love bridges too. :
12:09 am
Babbler
hehe, didn't finish my smile.... : )
12:10 am
Krys10
a fellow pontist! Thanks, Babbler. 'night, all!
12:10 am
Babbler
'night, krys : )
12:41 am
lawfully
it's tough...
12:41 am
Babbler
yep. keep finding dead ends... : /
12:41 am
raggedyandy3478
same
12:42 am
shortstop
I have a whole 3 filled in so far
12:42 am
Babbler
think I'll go get some sleep. (and probably start over tomorrow) : (
12:42 am
shortstop
ooh no 5
12:42 am
Babbler
laters, everyone : )
12:56 am
shortstop
got it done
12:56 am
lawfully
I'm full of green numbers....:(
1:03 am
mikehell
I have 7 numbers and full of green. -totally stuck :(
1:05 am
lawfully
9, in my case....
1:07 am
lawfully
suddenly, I've got a lot...
1:08 am
mikehell
Ain't getting nowhere...
1:10 am
spellacked
WHEW! tougher than I'd thought, but still didn't need a guess-thread. It just took several passes over the grid to find the open spot.
1:13 am
lawfully
done... after getting 9 numbers straight... it was a breeze... no guess...
1:19 am
raggedyandy3478
im not getting much of newhere either
1:25 am
raggedyandy3478
im giving up for the night
1:34 am
chebuctonian
hi all
1:49 am
GingerUK
Morning/Evening everyone
1:49 am
Onpaki
morn, ginger.
1:58 am
ss99
This 'hard' seemed easier than the 'easy' rated ones of the past couple of days. Find a couple hidden pairs and hidden tripples and it solves itself very quickly.
2:13 am
mikehell
Well, for me, those easies were realy easy, but Hidden pairs and triples are my achilles heel :(
2:16 am
chebuctonian
night all
2:17 am
GingerUK
night cheb :-)
2:23 am
mikehell
You were right, once I found two hidden pairs, it was just clicking numbers away... Done
2:56 am
sprite
morning all
3:18 am
Lamancha
Morning Everyone
3:29 am
GingerUK
morning Lamancha
3:29 am
GingerUK
Morning Sprite
3:29 am
Lamancha
Morning Ginger
3:29 am
sprite
Hi Ginger:) And Lamancha too
3:30 am
Lamancha
Lot of empty boxes for me... little green men may be needed..
3:30 am
sprite
Elimination gave me one 2, that's something...
3:31 am
GingerUK
i just cleared my little green men for now, I have 2 complete boxes middle left and right and 2 complete columns, 3 and 7
3:31 am
MaW
I can see myself coming back to this one later
3:31 am
GingerUK
could b e all wrong though LOL
3:32 am
sprite
I am working on exactly those, but I don't know for certain the last 2 of each.
3:33 am
MaW
I've not placed a single number yet :-(
3:33 am
MaW
and just as I said that, in goes the first 5 :-)
3:33 am
sprite
There are a few obvious ones to start with, and then elimination will give you some others.
3:37 am
GingerUK
completed another box and row..... this is going too well!!
3:38 am
GingerUK
top right box and 2nd row
3:39 am
MaW
I have little green numbers everywhere
3:40 am
MaW
but I've placed a two!!
3:40 am
MaW
much happiness
3:40 am
GingerUK
top row complete.... has to be a pink line come up sometime soon!!
3:41 am
sprite
No there won't, you are just doing great ;)
3:41 am
GingerUK
thanks Sprite :)
3:43 am
MaW
hmmmmm. things don't look good
3:50 am
GingerUK
OMG I finished a hard with NO restarts!!!!
3:50 am
Lamancha
Well done Ginger!
3:51 am
GingerUK
TY Lamancha, thats made my day.... sad isn't it LOL
3:51 am
MaW
quite an achievement
3:51 am
MaW
I'm completely stuck at the moment!
3:51 am
Lamancha
Little things can make big differences
3:52 am
GingerUK
I wish there was an easy way to help on these but it's difficult not to go too far
3:52 am
MaW
especially since you can't see my grid!
3:53 am
MaW
I shall try a new reasoning strategy
3:53 am
MaW
'that square can't be a two, because then those two squares both have to be 6
3:54 am
MaW
this is admittedly not hugely different to the time-honoured guessing
3:54 am
MaW
but I think my conclusion is correct
3:56 am
sprite
I am stuck, still at the same point. 7th column and middle right box both need 2 more digits and I just don't see how to reason them out. :(
3:58 am
GingerUK
so frustrating... wish i could say something to help!! It is not often I finish before the other names i recognise every day!!
3:59 am
MaW
doh! that was wrong... or something else was wrong... the dreaded pink row :-(
4:00 am
GingerUK
only thing that may help is.... missing number from right centre box bottom row is same as .... would me carrying on help at all?
4:01 am
MaW
I have a column... I think...
4:02 am
sprite
I am starting to feel soooo stupid.
4:02 am
MaW
it's still possible that it's completely wrong
4:02 am
MaW
I'm not confident of some of my reasoning tactics this morning, but this is how we learn
4:03 am
GingerUK
gotta go for now....
4:03 am
Kellie
Sprite.. after you have done all your greens. start on the column that has less options in it and go ffrom there... i found that there isn't many guesses needed.... try that and good luck
4:03 am
sprite
No, I have the feeling you figured it out. Not me, though.
4:03 am
GingerUK
good luck you two.... :-)
4:03 am
MaW
thanks ginger
4:03 am
MaW
have a good day in this lovely sunshine!
4:03 am
GingerUK
thanks.. you too
4:04 am
augurus
Sleepy Jack the fire drill, round and round and round and round and round.
4:07 am
MaW
not such a stupid tactic after all :-)
4:07 am
MaW
see you all tomorrow
4:08 am
sprite
Thanks Kellie, I will try that :)
4:08 am
augurus
If man is five, and the devil is six,...
4:13 am
sprite
I will substract them and be left with myself?
4:15 am
sprite
Hi there Bubbles. This one is reputed to be easy, except for extremely thick people like myself ;)
4:16 am
Bubbles
Hi sprite, looking at it i don't think its that easy. We can be thick together!!!!
4:16 am
mrpresident
Hello sprite!!
4:17 am
caderoux
done - a few triples is all
4:17 am
sprite
Starting feeling thicker by the minute
4:22 am
mrpresident
Sprite, I am sending you mail! look forward to hearing from you!
4:22 am
augurus
No silly, then god is seven. Look it up, have fun with crazy numerology references. :P
4:26 am
sprite
"you and me and the devil are three..."
4:27 am
Kellie
Hi Bubbles!!
4:28 am
Bubbles
hi hunni, you ok?
4:28 am
Kellie
yeah not too bad... really missing Cyprus!!! Oh and Peter called me last night ha ha! plonker!
4:28 am
Bubbles
what he say?
4:29 am
Kellie
i told him about Cyprus and stuff and he just came out with why didnt i consolt (cant spell) him.... like i needed to lol
4:29 am
Kellie
he was saying how down he is and he still is trying to get down
5:03 am
Moozey
what part of Cyprus were you in my sis lived on an army base there and I visited afew times?
5:04 am
Bubbles
Finally done it!!!!!!
5:29 am
Kellie
well done bubs
5:29 am
Kellie
I stayed near a place called patarus? my spelling is really crap lol
5:47 am
Kellie
moozey asked where i stayed.
5:50 am
Bubbles
mine hadn't updated, thought you was talking to me
5:56 am
Kellie
lol... no... did you get the bit when i said you should come with me
6:03 am
Kellie
put kiss on bubs your fav song
6:04 am
Bubbles
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
6:04 am
Bubbles
do do dod od dod odoooooo
6:05 am
Bubbles
do do dodododo do do do dodododo
6:06 am
Bubbles
hey, 16 people have looked at my car and out of those 3 are watching it!!!!!!
6:06 am
peternl
watching your car?
6:06 am
Bubbles
my car is being sold on ebay
6:24 am
Kellie
excellent.. how long you got?
6:25 am
Kellie
sounds like its definately gonna go then... i might look at putting mine on there for a 3 days before i move
6:25 am
Bubbles
good idea, have a look what they go for
6:26 am
Kellie
yeah i need to get the auto trader and see what they go for in there
6:26 am
Kellie
you in archives?
6:29 am
Bubbles
yeah. you?
6:29 am
Kellie
yeah just trying to do the 7th April... this is my second attempt now lol
6:30 am
Bubbles
i'm doing 25 march
6:31 am
Kellie
i cant believe how many ive missed
6:33 am
Bubbles
i've missed loads
6:33 am
Bubbles
i like this song, shake your tush song
6:34 am
Kellie
lol you still got kiss on?
6:35 am
Kellie
grrrr.. i've done it wrong and forgot to save check point ha ha what a plonker
6:35 am
Bubbles
i've done mine wrong too
6:47 am
Kellie
bloody good guessing there lol
7:00 am
Bubbles
my new car is ready!!!!!
7:00 am
Kellie
Did it pass the MOT then
7:01 am
Bubbles
the first time no, then they took it round the block blasted the engine and its fine
7:01 am
Kellie
lucky you !!!
7:02 am
Bubbles
i know!!! i'm gonna put all go fast stripes on it!!!!! ha ha ha
7:02 am
Kellie
ha ha absolutely lol
7:05 am
Bubbles
we can do the romford curcuit!!!!!!
7:06 am
Kellie
yeah?!!! then we can do the Southend Circuit on a saturday!
7:06 am
Bubbles
yeah man, how cool will we look!!!
7:06 am
Kellie
really cool
7:07 am
Bubbles
check the babes out
7:07 am
Bubbles
i'm laughing so hard it hurts
7:07 am
Kellie
yeah... and we could sit on the wall and act really hard
7:08 am
Bubbles
we could put neon lights under neath it.
7:08 am
Kellie
yeah and we could get one of them funky horn things
7:09 am
Bubbles
dad's got one, we'll have to do it!!!
7:09 am
Kellie
got to be done
7:09 am
Kellie
what you doing Saturday
7:09 am
Bubbles
southend baby
7:09 am
Kellie
rock on!!! I get the white shoes out lol
7:10 am
Bubbles
yeah and the big hoop earings, don't forget the gum
7:10 am
Kellie
ok.. can we get them from tesco?!
7:10 am
Kellie
NO ASDA!!!!!!!
7:10 am
Bubbles
asda maybe? ohh and white lightning and md 20/20
7:11 am
Bubbles
ha ha ha ha
7:11 am
Babbler
what's in Southend, Bubbles?
7:11 am
Kellie
diamond white?!
7:12 am
Bubbles
hey you, erms how to explain southend........ its got a big amusement park thing there but all the women where white stilletoes and the men all drive round "the Circuit" and thing there gods gift but they drive round again again and again.
7:12 am
Kellie
Southend has nothing going for it (apologise if someone lives there)
7:13 am
Bubbles
urgh do you remember diamond white
7:13 am
Kellie
oh apart from Reflex.... thats a funny night
7:13 am
Babbler
oh right, so you're going for something like Soul Weekend or anything? You're going to chill and relax?
7:13 am
Bubbles
never been, we have to do that, another beano coming up?
7:13 am
Moozey
isn't Southend Chavtastic??
7:13 am
Kellie
be back in a bit bubs... i need to cover the phones upstiars so that john and keeley can do whatever they have to do with each other lol
7:13 am
Babbler
sorry, *not going to Soul Weekend....
7:14 am
Babbler
Chavs make me laugh
7:14 am
Kellie
southend is very chavtastic ha ha
7:14 am
Babbler
(sorry, inner snob coming out, LOL) : /
7:14 am
Moozey
me too Babbler
7:14 am
Kellie
to get rid of the inner snob go to southend!!!
7:14 am
Bubbles
no, don't go to southend that often, only when all girls meet up for a long drinking session.
Moozey have you been? Your spot on
7:15 am
Moozey
never but hey I've heard LOL
7:15 am
Bubbles
its awful, i don't know where the women get theyre dress sense from
7:16 am
Moozey
from the 70's perhaps
7:16 am
NJL
hope this isn't too hard
7:16 am
Babbler
*looks for people from Southend in Who's Online*
7:16 am
Moozey
of course I was only a nipper in the 70s ;o)
7:16 am
Babbler
NJL - I started at the flip and it's a toughie. I'm about to start over as I kept finding dead ends... : /
7:17 am
Babbler
me too, Moozey
7:17 am
Bubbles
even the 70's didn't wear clothes like that!!! Where you from? you should try and go to sothend one day.
7:17 am
Moozey
Surrey so not far but not sure errrr Southend is my thing ROFL
7:18 am
Atalante
yay! finished!
7:18 am
Bubbles
hey we should do the babble convention there
7:18 am
Babbler
congrats, Ata!! How was it?
7:18 am
Moozey
WTG Atalante
7:18 am
Babbler
*cough* babble convention is staying in London, lol
7:18 am
Bubbles
spoil sport
7:19 am
Babbler
how did Bobsta's "research" go at teh weekend?
7:19 am
NJL
well done Atalante
7:19 am
Moozey
good thinking, don't think I could wear Burberry quite so convincingly
7:19 am
Babbler
Bubbles - no reason why we can't do a sunny day to teh seaside in the summer! ; )
7:19 am
Moozey
haven't heard from him since, so good I think
7:20 am
Babbler
Ata, you still coming to the convention?
7:21 am
Bubbles
didn't know he was researching? But hey if he was researching he does it every weekend
7:22 am
Babbler
LOL Bubbles!!
7:23 am
Atalante
sure, I'll be there :)
7:26 am
Babbler
smart! it's only about 4 weeks away. : )
7:26 am
Babbler
I'm so excited !!
7:26 am
Atalante
really? wow! wheeeee!
7:32 am
Babbler
right, just mailed Bobsta about his 'research'... LOL
7:36 am
Bubbles
i know he was talking about a pub he knows of, don;'t think he's been in there yet though
7:36 am
Bubbles
i know he was talking about a pub he knows of, don;'t think he's been in there yet though
7:40 am
Atalante
whereabouts is it?
7:40 am
Babbler
I had another thought, that might influence our final choice of pub ... World Cup starts soon. Who's playing on June 16?
7:46 am
UDbmas
mornin' everybody!
7:46 am
Bubbles
pass babbler
7:47 am
NJL
I hope a morning brain works mare efectivley than a night one
7:47 am
UDbmas
uh...nope...
7:49 am
raerae7133
Hello!
8:13 am
moedog
half the work on this one is marking all the green twos!!
8:18 am
EasternBlue
Babs - you still here???
8:18 am
moedog
son of a... how'd i wind up with two 9s in that region?!?! grrrrr.......
8:19 am
EasternBlue
moe - I blame it on the evil Sudoku elves...
8:19 am
moedog
when i find one, i'm gonna kick its lil scrawny behind up between its lil pointed ears!
8:22 am
EasternBlue
now, moe, they're only here to make your Sudoku experience last a little longer!!
8:22 am
moedog
this is aaaaagonyyyyy
8:25 am
moedog
okay, the elves win... i'm starting over
8:33 am
EasternBlue
good luck moe...I'm leaving this for now!! Elves - be nice to moe!! : )
9:12 am
parsec
Ooo, a hard one.
9:20 am
NJL
Finally, I had to start over a few times
9:21 am
parsec
I'm crossing my fingers so I won't screw up.
9:21 am
parsec
thanks, looks like I need it. =)
9:43 am
jojomnky
no lucky twos its going to be a rough one!
10:05 am
jojomnky
howdy yul
10:08 am
yul
found a 2 :)
10:09 am
yul
and another :)
10:10 am
jojomnky
youre doing better than i am'
10:10 am
moedog
this is a very unpleasant puzzle
10:11 am
yul
did you murked all the cells, jojo?
10:11 am
jojomnky
yeah i just finished that
10:11 am
sinnergy
I have found all of 4 numbers in this one so far
10:13 am
yul
there is a single only possible 2 lerking
10:14 am
jojomnky
found that one i think but i just have it no others
10:16 am
yul
you are right,jojo, my second 2 is not :)
10:18 am
sinnergy
found the 2. it was hidin
10:19 am
moedog
tricksy two!
10:23 am
miller da killer
hi everyone!!!
10:23 am
miller da killer
is this one truly a hard, because there are quite a few numbers here given.
10:26 am
moedog
look for 2s
10:26 am
miller da killer
well i've got to run because i have to go to class. bye all!!!
10:26 am
moedog
it's tough
10:26 am
miller da killer
and thanx for that moedog!
10:28 am
yul
it is very hard
10:42 am
yul
i don't see how it's possible to figure out 4s, sinnergy
10:45 am
rycaut
figured out where there were pairs (or triples) that meant something about other squares - once I got going things started to fall into place pretty rapidly
10:45 am
rycaut
had to be very methodical however - not immediately obvious but it did all come together
10:46 am
yul
like it shood be :)
10:48 am
yul
i just found a triple which i missed
10:51 am
miller da killer
i need help, there must be a trick i haven't figured out yet.
10:53 am
miller da killer
i found all my naked pairs and all the obvious numbers and also did, i dont know what it's called, but you look to see if a number occurs in only one row or column of a box and eliminate the other of those numbers in the other boxes. do you know what that's called? but now i'm stuck.
10:55 am
yul
i was mving too fast again :/. starting over
10:55 am
miller da killer
how frustrating!
10:56 am
yul
it happens too often lately, have to stop chatting
10:57 am
miller da killer
yeah, it is a little distracting.
10:57 am
miller da killer
:)
11:05 am
scribble's mom
This was the first HARD that I completed!!!!! I now see how to think outside of the "box" and the "pairs of numbers" help so much. Have a good day and good luck.
11:05 am
Perry
Hi all - just finished, and the only tip I can give is find the doubles and triples. I didn't use anything more advanced than that, and it all fell into place as I found them.
11:38 am
Shaiman
today's puzzle has more than one solution!
11:38 am
Shaiman
oh.. nm.. i missed a number
11:39 am
yul
2 solutions i like
11:40 am
Shaiman
no way.. that makes for real trouble!
11:41 am
Shaiman
anyway.. good luck everyone.. see you for tomorrow's puzzle
11:45 am
jojomnky
yay i got it
11:50 am
yul
finally me too
11:52 am
yul
27 minutes after the 3 attempt. next time i have to focus
11:52 am
yul
27 minutes after the 3 attempt. next time i have to focus
11:52 am
yul
my mac is playing up
11:55 am
yul
it was not as hard as it looked at first. it is not very hard :) i am just all over the place vith the good weather and new music. good buy everybody
12:04 pm
Talk24hr
has anyone finished this without using subs today?
12:26 pm
redshoes
what do you mean by "doubles" and "triples"?
12:34 pm
tylor
doubles triples are like possible that 3 of the same number can go in a box or square same with 2
12:35 pm
TP17
that wasn't too bad at all
12:35 pm
redshoes
like, when two boxes could be 5 or 6?
12:36 pm
tylor
yeah say in the middle box
12:36 pm
tylor
5 could go in the left or right square that kind of thing
12:36 pm
redshoes
so, do you just guess then? and see if the puzzle works out from there?
12:37 pm
tylor
sometimes you have to eliminate and think
12:37 pm
redshoes
wait, we have to think??? dangit. ;^)
12:37 pm
tylor
if you want and aren't sure you can hold shift and put a number in and it will be green so if you mess up
12:37 pm
answerguru
you never guess on a proper Sudoku...
12:37 pm
redshoes
ha. I guess I'm not a proper Sudoku-er
12:39 pm
tylor
takes time to learn all of the methods
12:39 pm
answerguru
This is a great reference to learn: http://www.scanraid.com/BasicStrategies.htm
12:39 pm
redshoes
thanks!
12:39 pm
answerguru
They also have advanced strategies there.
12:40 pm
tylor
thanks that will help some more
12:40 pm
answerguru
And this one was definitely not a beginner sudoku
12:41 pm
answerguru
Has anyone tried to make the Cream-O-The-Crop list by just doing the medium-hard sudokus and not the easy ones? It seems from the formula they use to rank, that you would have to do that to get up there...
12:42 pm
answerguru
(well almost, I'm only 1 point away today)
12:42 pm
tylor
nope im new to this
12:56 pm
Talk24hr
all done
12:56 pm
Talk24hr
was easy with the subs
12:57 pm
Talk24hr
good luck everyone, toodles
1:07 pm
Moozey
ahhh that explains it then answerguru as I've finally completed all of them and I am way down the list
1:09 pm
helenkeller
go -5
1:09 pm
Perry
Yes, a guy on the other day said he only did the hard and expert ones to stay high on the cream of the crop list
1:40 pm
Moozey
stuck for words Helen?
1:41 pm
Moozey
or just making a point LOL
1:41 pm
helenkeller
ROFL - good one!!
1:41 pm
acheekymonkey
haha, right to the point
1:41 pm
Moozey
don't stop now hahaha
1:42 pm
acheekymonkey
a little dotty...
1:53 pm
hurshy
gone off 'is crumpet, that's what 'e's done... dotty as you please
2:00 pm
Moozey
just started today's puzzle and seemed to have come to a block blah
2:01 pm
Moozey
beat you didn't know I spoke a foreign language
2:01 pm
hurshy
marty IS sheepish, but usually he says meow
2:01 pm
Moozey
who is marty?
2:02 pm
hurshy
<--- my cat
2:04 pm
hurshy
i've only placed 4 numbers
2:04 pm
hurshy
i don't want to start greening up yet :(
2:05 pm
Moozey
I've managed 5 numbers
2:05 pm
Moozey
but I have now greened up
2:06 pm
hurshy
i have a 5, 6, 7, 8, what is your fifth, i will try to place it
2:07 pm
Moozey
it is one of those that if you look vertical and horizontal all the numbers are there except the two, so I am confident it is correctly placed
2:08 pm
hurshy
hurshy is flummoxed
2:08 pm
Moozey
think along the lines of your 7 and 8
2:09 pm
Moozey
but after that I'm stuck and I don't do the advanced stuff
2:09 pm
hurshy
not that it really matters, i could have just greened up and got it that way, but, it's lovely...oh, well hang on til i'm greened then
2:09 pm
Moozey
so it is going to be a long night ahead of me
2:10 pm
Moozey
I knew you'd get it but it was a tiny push
2:10 pm
hurshy
nah i'll help you it'll be fine :)
2:11 pm
raggedyandy3478
lost....
2:11 pm
Moozey
take a left at the next turning and you'll find your way raggedyandy
2:12 pm
raggedyandy3478
lol, thanks
2:12 pm
hurshy
or second star to the right and straight on 'til morning
2:12 pm
Moozey
oh that it much nicer
2:12 pm
Moozey
go for that one raggedy
2:12 pm
raggedyandy3478
more scenic eh?
2:13 pm
Perry
Now is that your right or Andy's right?
2:13 pm
hurshy
in each of the empty spots in the bottom right section, you should have only 2 greens
2:13 pm
Moozey
yes 2 greens in each of four squares
2:14 pm
hurshy
and so in the top of the last column, no more than 3 in each
2:15 pm
hurshy
still greening, just checking as i go :)
2:19 pm
David Mitchell
Hullo hullo
2:19 pm
hurshy
hullo to you david "stud" mitchell
2:19 pm
Moozey
stud eh??? ohhhhh
2:19 pm
hurshy
yeah haven't you heard
2:20 pm
Moozey
no, please spill the beans
2:20 pm
hurshy
he's legendary
2:20 pm
Moozey
well pleased to meet you David ;o)
2:20 pm
hurshy
you single, moozey?
2:21 pm
David Mitchell
Heh
2:21 pm
David Mitchell
Hi, Moozey
2:21 pm
David Mitchell
I'm not sure whether to blush or snort at what hurshey's saying
2:21 pm
hurshy
(it's a legally blonde tactic, david, just go with it...)
2:21 pm
David Mitchell
Ooh
2:21 pm
Moozey
hey Hurshy speaks only the truth ;o)
2:22 pm
David Mitchell
:)
2:24 pm
hurshy
sigh. ok i'm greened.
2:25 pm
hurshy
moozey, did you examine 2nd column
2:25 pm
Moozey
across or down
2:26 pm
hurshy
columns down, rows across :)
2:26 pm
Moozey
lots of greenies
2:27 pm
hurshy
but some can be made to go away
2:27 pm
raggedyandy3478
hopefully all
2:27 pm
hurshy
i meant, you know, at the moment.
2:27 pm
raggedyandy3478
lol
2:29 pm
Perry
Wow...I'm trying to do the 3/28 expert puzzle and I keep hitting the same wall in different ways: one possible number in two boxes in the same row/column, but it's always a different number in a different location each time I retry it
2:30 pm
Perry
And I'm just doing relatively basic strategies, not the advanced ones...crazy.
2:30 pm
zemoxian
Perry, I had a similar problem. I had to be very carful with my subscripts then I just hit a wall.
2:30 pm
Moozey
that one was a pig, Perry. I would pick it up every now and then and fail. Then yesterday I thought I'd give it one more go before admitting defeat and got it. Fluke though
2:30 pm
zemoxian
I eventually had to guess a few times until I got through
2:31 pm
zemoxian
I would start at a checkpoint that I was comfortable with, choose a spot that had ony two possibilities and guess one
2:32 pm
raggedyandy3478
ive been doing that with this one, and yet its not working
2:32 pm
raggedyandy3478
i keep hitting brick walls all over the place
2:32 pm
Perry
I've restarted it about 4 times today, always starting it different ways, and keep hitting things like two boxes that only have a 9 possible in the same column, or two with only a 5 possible in the same row.
2:32 pm
zemoxian
If I hit a contradiction, like the ones you mention, I go back to the check point and choose the other one ass correct
2:32 pm
raggedyandy3478
ive done that, and hit contradictions
2:34 pm
zemoxian
The important thig is to be clear that your last checkpoint was correct and that you remember your guess. That way you can eliminate wrong guesses when you hit contradictions
2:34 pm
Perry
Ugh, 3/28 is going back into the archives for another day....
2:35 pm
raggedyandy3478
i swear i have, i take screen shots right b4 the guess and right when i get the contradiction, and i have them going both routes
2:35 pm
zemoxian
You will get it eventually. I restarted that one a few times until I hit upon a strategy that worked
2:35 pm
Perry
That's the thing - I'm making clear eliminations without guessing and yet I keep hitting these pairs with only one option.
2:36 pm
raggedyandy3478
right now, the guess that i have found my self at before is 4 boxes all to be determined between 2 and 4
2:37 pm
zemoxian
That sounds like you made a mistake at some point. Sometimes I see eliminations that aren't really there, if I miss apply one of the techniques.
2:38 pm
hurshy
3rd row also fruitful
2:38 pm
zemoxian
That's usually the most painful, especially when you don't find out until you nearly reach the end
2:39 pm
hurshy
now i'm a-goin like great guns!
2:44 pm
hurshy
and that's a wrap
2:44 pm
hurshy
2nd col, then 3rd row, then it all goes like dominoes
2:44 pm
David Mitchell
Nice, hurshy
2:45 pm
Perry
Thanks for trying Zem - I think I'm burned out on that one for now, I'll let it sit a bit ;-)
2:47 pm
raggedyandy3478
got all but 3 boxes and it all turned out wrong, once again
2:55 pm
raggedyandy3478
cant get it, no matter what i do
2:55 pm
raggedyandy3478
hit another contradiction going the other way
2:56 pm
Moozey
not too far behind you Hurshy, done and dusted
2:56 pm
hurshy
congrats moozey! :)
2:58 pm
Moozey
ty for your advice
2:59 pm
hurshy
yw, anytime
2:59 pm
hurshy
i'm off now :)
3:00 pm
David Mitchell
See ya, hurshy
3:00 pm
Moozey
me too TTFN pholks
3:01 pm
David Mitchell
Bye, Moozey
3:01 pm
Moozey
Bye stud ;o)
3:17 pm
btwrt
hey everybody :)
3:17 pm
btwrt
finally, a hard one ... what was it, 3 easy ones in a row?
3:25 pm
David Mitchell
Hey, btwrt
3:28 pm
btwrt
hey david :)
3:34 pm
dinoshadow
jojomnky, if you are around or reading the logs, I have given up on Mar 28 for a while. Need to let it stew
3:40 pm
blueskies29
good afternonn everyone!
3:43 pm
zemoxian
I'm working on manipulating my scores
3:44 pm
zemoxian
I've decided not to do any easy's for a while, they bring down my average
3:44 pm
Perry
Same here Dino...I swore it off earlier today but came back, and it just beat me again. (the 3/28 puzzle)
3:46 pm
zemoxian
I'm a few points away from the leaders on the village elders, but I've caught up with the elders on the cream of the crop list
3:48 pm
dinoshadow
glad to know there is a group of us struggling
3:48 pm
zemoxian
I think 3/28 was the hardest to solve. I just got to the point that I couldn't see any more eliminations
3:49 pm
zemoxian
I finally finised it yesterday after numerous attempts. I finally figured out how to use guessing effectively
3:49 pm
Perry
Not to bash Dr. G., but a scoring system that penalizes you for doing all the puzzles has a problem Zem. Basically, then, it's designed to keep people from coming to the site every day.
3:49 pm
Perry
Or, I should say, from staying and doing the puzzles after they come to see the difficulty level.
3:50 pm
helenkeller
only designed to keep those away who care about their scores, excludes the group who just come to play for the fun of it - just a point
3:51 pm
helenkeller
may not even be 'designed', may be unintentional
3:51 pm
zemoxian
I think that might just be an issue since it is still starting out. Eventually, the number of puzzles completed will out weigh the average. Then finishing all or nearly all the puzzles will be necessary
3:51 pm
Perry
that 3/28 one I never hit a guessing point on...the eliminations keep working until I'm near the end and suddenly two boxes in the same row or column have only one option left.
3:52 pm
Perry
I know he didn't design it to be that way intentionally Helen - I'm just saying that's the effect on people that care about their scores, and I've seen quite a few say they won't do easy or medium puzzles so that they keep their ranks up.
3:53 pm
helenkeller
lol- these are people who did not score 100% on their papers in grammar school often enough
3:54 pm
zemoxian
Right after I went pro, I did all the easy ones really quickly and dropped right off the bottom of the cream of the crop scale
3:54 pm
Perry
It's a designed system with an unintended side effect that keeps some people from playing every day.
3:54 pm
zemoxian
Well, I've been playing every day. Mostly 3/18
3:54 pm
helenkeller
are you sure he didn't do it on purpose, cause from what i've seen of dr-g, he tries very hard to attend to details that folks bring up
3:54 pm
helenkeller
oh, that's interesting zem
3:55 pm
Stef
It would be far better if there were puzzles of every difficulty available each day, don't you think?
3:56 pm
helenkeller
yeah stef - but then the site would lose some of it's 'uniqueness'
3:56 pm
zemoxian
Well the highest score you can get after playing only on game is 501. That's if you only do one expert.
3:56 pm
blueskies29
but you can get that from other sites stef..half the attraction for me is the chat that goes on while I'm here...
3:57 pm
Stef
The chat stays the same whether you are playing from the archive or that day's puzzle, so that shouldn't matter too much.
3:57 pm
zemoxian
Eventually, there will be 401 easy puzzles in the archives, then completing every one of those will give you the same score
3:58 pm
Stef
I finish the easy ones quickly and am frustrated that there isn't more of a challenge on those days
3:59 pm
Perry
The only reason I could see to do it on purpose would be to reduce the number of players, say to lighten the server load, but seeing how busy Babble is I don't think that's the case. And if you're selling a product, then the last thing you want is to discourage players. So I'd say it's not intended.
3:59 pm
helenkeller
good point perry
3:59 pm
Perry
Just my 2c though.
4:00 pm
zemoxian
I think he gives different scales for people who have different priorities
4:01 pm
Stef
I reckon we should lobby for one puzzle of each difficulty level per day. We're paying for it after all! That way everyone gets what they want, including those obsessed with their scores.
4:01 pm
zemoxian
Obiously, everybody with 120 points places a high priority on completeness, not on the average scores
4:02 pm
zemoxian
Hmm, a puzzle like 3/18 every day? That would definately spread the scores
4:03 pm
Perry
I'm in the "complete them all" camp, but I keep torturing myself on the 4/12 and 3/28 expert puzzles instead of doing the others I've missed. ;-)
4:04 pm
helenkeller
i would like to be in that camp, perry, but cheapness prevents me :)
4:04 pm
Perry
Haven't done 3/18 yet either...guess that's more fun to look forward to!
4:04 pm
Stef
I just like the challenge but some days its over too quickly...
4:04 pm
TP17
The bad part is you would get people that would use 'Simple Sudoku' and things like that just to complete them so that they stay on top of the board
4:05 pm
Stef
Yeah, but that will always happen :(
4:05 pm
Perry
Yep, I'm sure there are some who do that but you can't avoid it unfortunately.
4:05 pm
zemoxian
I can't see that being any fun
4:06 pm
zemoxian
That's like cheating at solitare
4:06 pm
Stef
People used to get upset about it on the Babble board, but you can't eradicate it. If people want to cheat, let them. Its their own fun they're spoiling.
4:07 pm
Stef
Anyone else totally stuck with today's puzzle?
4:08 pm
TP17
I agree. That's why I love these puzzles. It gives me something to make my brain work every day
4:08 pm
helenkeller
finally --- done!!!
4:08 pm
zemoxian
A sudoku a day keeps the Altheimers away
4:08 pm
Stef
HOW??? <frustration>
4:09 pm
Stef
Well done Helen
4:09 pm
helenkeller
must go mow the lawn now - before the storms come
4:09 pm
TP17
I actually thought today's was easy (not bragging). I just kept using eliminations, and they all fell into place
4:09 pm
helenkeller
yep tp, that's how i did it
4:09 pm
Stef
I must have made a mistake then :(
4:09 pm
Perry
Stef, I got it done with just using pairs and triples for eliminations if that helps - nothing advanced.
4:09 pm
helenkeller
gl everyone, have a great day - bye
4:10 pm
Perry
Well it's past 5 so I'm going to head out - have a good day/night all.
4:13 pm
stidmatt
'Sup y'all?
4:14 pm
stidmatt
Need to go!
4:57 pm
Grace O'Malley
Hi aeveryone
5:03 pm
gabby12
Good Afternoon everyone!
5:03 pm
gabby12
Hello Grace!
5:05 pm
gabby12
Man I still havent upgraded yet.
5:05 pm
stidmatt
'Sup y'all
5:06 pm
gabby12
Nothin much
5:22 pm
Grace O'Malley
Hi Gabby
5:22 pm
Grace O'Malley
Well alittle late for that huh sorry
5:26 pm
Grace O'Malley
well have to go now Bye all
5:26 pm
stidmatt
So long Grace!
5:26 pm
scribble
im leavin too. bye.
5:26 pm
stidmatt
So long scribble!
5:26 pm
scribble
c ya stidmatt.
5:43 pm
Michal
i cant finish this 1!
5:45 pm
raggedyandy3478
me neither, i keep running into contradictions everywhere
5:46 pm
stidmatt
It is a toughy!
5:48 pm
raggedyandy3478
howd u do it?
5:49 pm
stidmatt
WTG TYLOR! YOU DA NUMBA 1! ~~~~~FIREWORKS~~~~~
6:04 pm
Michal
i hate this 1! hehehe.. everythime i think its right- its wrong!!
6:05 pm
moedog
i'm starting this one for the third time today
6:05 pm
raggedyandy3478
lost count
6:22 pm
raggedyandy3478
i can usually get every one of these first try, but this one is killing me
6:36 pm
Michal
FINISHEDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!! =)=)=)=)!!!!!!!
6:36 pm
raggedyandy3478
congrats
6:37 pm
Michal
it is 2:36 am here and i didnt go to sleep yet because of this thing~
6:37 pm
raggedyandy3478
haha, i worked on it from 1 - 3 AM this morn(its 7:40 here) and now i am at it again
6:39 pm
raggedyandy3478
did u have any guessing involved
6:39 pm
Michal
but it was wierd things that i did that helped me..
6:40 pm
Michal
i have school tomorrow! this is bad that im still up...
6:45 pm
raggedyandy3478
what did u do?
6:45 pm
Michal
wuth what?
6:46 pm
raggedyandy3478
the puzzle that helped ya
6:46 pm
Michal
the 2 and 4s were hard.. a soon as i sawwere 1 goes the rest were easy..
6:47 pm
raggedyandy3478
yup, got a BUNCH of those 2s and 4s that have yet to be determined
6:47 pm
Michal
i think i needed tow 2 to start finishing... the puzzel didnt have any 2s... that was the big promlem..
6:49 pm
ShadeEagle
wow, just got a 2
6:49 pm
Michal
mazal tov! =)
6:49 pm
raggedyandy3478
i have 2 2's but they are doing no good
6:50 pm
Michal
(congrats)
6:50 pm
ShadeEagle
thanks
6:50 pm
ShadeEagle
wasn't expecting to get one so quickly (relatively speaking)
6:51 pm
Michal
how old are you all?//
6:53 pm
Michal
never mind.. :S
6:54 pm
raggedyandy3478
lol, im 19
6:54 pm
raggedyandy3478
i was off getting something to drink
6:54 pm
raggedyandy3478
cuz i plan on being here for another while
6:54 pm
Michal
hehehe shame...
6:55 pm
Michal
i took me like 3 hpours and this time i started over and it took me like 10 min'...
6:56 pm
Michal
it* hours*
6:57 pm
Michal
where r u from?//
6:57 pm
raggedyandy3478
atlanta
6:57 pm
raggedyandy3478
yourself?
6:58 pm
raggedyandy3478
wow
6:59 pm
Michal
my family is from south africa.. thats how i know english..
6:59 pm
raggedyandy3478
awesome
7:00 pm
mandi
how's the puzzle today?
7:00 pm
Michal
did u do it?
7:01 pm
mandi
I see that, but is it on the easy end of hard, or the evil end of hard
7:01 pm
mandi
no, I just started
7:01 pm
Michal
if u r good so it wont be so hard.. if not so it will be
7:02 pm
mandi
well, we shall see
7:03 pm
Michal
i think i should go to sleep...
7:04 pm
raggedyandy3478
haha, that would be good
7:04 pm
mandi
sleep is overrated
7:04 pm
Michal
i love sleeping! =)
7:04 pm
raggedyandy3478
im in college, and i will tell you, sleep is AMAZING!
7:04 pm
Michal
im 16.5... all i do is sleep and learn..
7:04 pm
mandi
I'm kidding, I love sleep
7:05 pm
Michal
who dosent?..
7:06 pm
Michal
anyway.. school tomorrow at 8 and it is 3 now.. need to get up at 7.. good luck everyone! good night/morning!
7:07 pm
the_man_stephen
hurray a hard one for once!
7:07 pm
raggedyandy3478
its quite hard
7:07 pm
the_man_stephen
good, good, need something to tire me out so i can go to sleep!
7:13 pm
mandi
*laments* the board is getting greener by the second
7:14 pm
the_man_stephen
yup, a sea of green!
7:21 pm
crzytrain76
suchin pucks
7:23 pm
raggedyandy3478
wooohooo!!!
7:23 pm
raggedyandy3478
done
7:23 pm
mandi
I think I've got it too
7:31 pm
raggedyandy3478
sorry!, gl, i gotta go get something to eat
7:41 pm
the_man_stephen
hurray :D
7:43 pm
the_man_stephen
i hate it when you notice a green number you've put in that can't possible be there cause it clashes with a starting number
7:43 pm
mandi
is that what solved it?
7:43 pm
the_man_stephen
yup, it all fell from there!
7:43 pm
mandi
good for you!
7:43 pm
the_man_stephen
thanks, now i can go to bed!
8:53 pm
Onpaki
this is the 3rd time i'm trying....
9:41 pm
rcheramy
This is a tricky one.'
9:56 pm
dinoshadow
is anyone else having any problems with entering subscripts?
10:23 pm
Limer
Nailed that puppy!
10:24 pm
Limer
Rank me, baby!
10:30 pm
rcheramy
argh... thought I had it now I have a bug.
10:30 pm
rcheramy
I HATE that
10:31 pm
Limer
Know what you mean rcheramy
10:32 pm
Limer
Good one, LdyVxn
10:32 pm
rcheramy
anyone wanna help me fix my bug?
10:32 pm
LdyVxn
ty it took 1 1/2 hours almost
10:32 pm
dinoshadow
What bug?
10:32 pm
LdyVxn
can I tell a hint
10:33 pm
rcheramy
column6 row 5,7,8
10:33 pm
Limer
I finiished mine already. So no hints needed.
10:33 pm
ls
spill it ldyvxn
10:33 pm
LdyVxn
start with 5s, and 7s. then do 9s and take it from there
10:34 pm
rcheramy
I not sure it will help... I'm 95% done and have a glitch.
10:34 pm
dinoshadow
2 are even, one is odd, 2 are consecutive, one isn't.
10:36 pm
LdyVxn
where is your glitch
10:36 pm
dinoshadow
rcheramy, did that help? do you need more info?
10:36 pm
rcheramy
I need more I'm not even sure how to ask for help.
10:37 pm
LdyVxn
where is the glitch you ran into
10:37 pm
rcheramy
my colum 6 is screwed.
10:37 pm
rcheramy
it currently reads 6913x5xx7
10:38 pm
dinoshadow
your 3 is wrong
10:38 pm
Limer
I'm on the April 23 puzzle.
10:38 pm
dinoshadow
now, go back to my other clue - 5, 7, 8 - two are even, two are consecutive - and now you know one of them is 3
10:40 pm
LdyVxn
hows it going now rcher
10:41 pm
rcheramy
I've got a fix in now I have to see what else other number I have to pull in row 4 that IS the 3
10:41 pm
dinoshadow
well, what you listed you have means you still have to place 2 3 4 8 in those 4 spots..
10:42 pm
dinoshadow
Ldy - don't give the answers!
10:42 pm
dinoshadow
R is asking for help, not answers
10:42 pm
rcheramy
oh... the 4 is NOT the one I wanted to remove... OUCH... have to undo a LOT!
10:43 pm
dinoshadow
Probably, but since LdyVxn told you, the 4 is what goes where your 3 was
10:43 pm
dinoshadow
have fun hunting it down
10:43 pm
ShadeEagle
it shouldn't be too hard to undo
10:43 pm
rcheramy
ya... it's do over... too many to undo.
10:43 pm
LdyVxn
i said i was sorry
10:43 pm
dinoshadow
Oh, don't apologize, just don't do it again ;) ;)
10:43 pm
rcheramy
I appreciated it in that case... thx all for you help
10:44 pm
dinoshadow
Just trying to help rcheramy out now.. what does your row 4 look likee, or have you already killed your game?
10:44 pm
rcheramy
9x8674x51
10:44 pm
dinoshadow
your 7 is wrong, too
10:44 pm
Onpaki
whew! i finally got it done! ;)
10:45 pm
ShadeEagle
okay, that makes me feel a little better. ;)
10:45 pm
dinoshadow
yay Onpaki
10:45 pm
dinoshadow
? Shadeeagle?
10:45 pm
Limer
I am really getting screwed on this April 23 puzzle
10:45 pm
ShadeEagle
I'm still in the process of working through this one, but everything that you've said so far is in line with what I have
10:45 pm
dinoshadow
But if you are doing this without subscripts, you are WAY TONS far ahead of me. I had greenies all over
10:46 pm
rcheramy
978634251
10:46 pm
LdyVxn
what are subscripts
10:46 pm
dinoshadow
don't post answers, rcheramy
10:46 pm
dinoshadow
the red/green numbers, LdyVxn
10:46 pm
ls
dino - thanks for your help!
10:46 pm
dinoshadow
If you don't know what I am talking about, check out the help link
10:47 pm
dinoshadow
thank LdyVxn and rcheramy for posting answers ;)
10:47 pm
LdyVxn
oh I haven't joined yet. i am broke right now so I don't get those
10:47 pm
dinoshadow
That is a pay thing now??? suck!
10:47 pm
dinoshadow
I thought just the saving was a pay feature
10:47 pm
rcheramy
no its free still
10:48 pm
LdyVxn
oh well new here and didn't read the help I just dove right in
10:48 pm
dinoshadow
With the flip, LdyVxn, hold down your shift key and click a number.. it lets you fill in the numbers you think are or aren't the possible solution
10:48 pm
ls
ldyvxn - if you hold down the shift key while picking a number it will put it in the box in green, and still allow you to enter more numbers. that way you can put in all the possibilites. if you use "alt" it puts the numbers in in red
10:49 pm
dinoshadow
Makes it a LOT easier if you have the time to fill it in
10:49 pm
dinoshadow
OK, bedtime.
10:49 pm
rcheramy
thx for help... this one is unsalvageable.
10:49 pm
dinoshadow
Sorry, rcheramy.
10:50 pm
LdyVxn
oh well now that would have made this easier. I was starting to get frustrated without being able to pencil in or save. I just started over a few times til I got it
10:50 pm
dinoshadow
but your row was right
10:50 pm
dinoshadow
night folks, good luck with this and tomorrow's
10:50 pm
ls
goodnight dino
10:50 pm
LdyVxn
rcher if you start over try doing 5s and 7s first that how I got it figured out finally
10:51 pm
LdyVxn
night dino sorry again
10:52 pm
LdyVxn
alright evry1 I'm heading off to bed. Have a great night/morning
11:40 pm
tchansen
I'm a masochist... I'm just starting.
11:46 pm
british16chica
good luck
11:54 pm
chrissie2006
Wow, this one is really tough