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12:02 am
sprite
Hey Krys :D
12:03 am
mikehell
Hiya all...
12:03 am
orb
starting to get a midnight crowd
12:03 am
sprite
Except it's 7 am here in Holland. My kids are getting dressed, lol.
12:03 am
mikehell
It.s mid morning for me...
12:04 am
orb
its midnight at ironsudoku :)
12:04 am
sprite
hehe, that's true.
12:05 am
raggedyandy3478
hey guys
12:05 am
Krys10
hey andy!
12:05 am
sprite
hi andy :)
12:06 am
raggedyandy3478
hows it going today?
12:06 am
Krys10
had a good work day - half my clients forgot to show up because of the holiday
12:06 am
sprite
that bad, eh?
12:06 am
raggedyandy3478
sweet!
12:07 am
raggedyandy3478
hows the puzzle, is it living up to its rating?
12:08 am
Krys10
I'm only half concentrating, but it's definintely slow going compared to the last few...
12:08 am
SeedyV
I have yet to place a number, if that says anything :D
12:08 am
sprite
It's coming, but not fast here.
12:08 am
orb
too early to say - haven't hit the hard part yet
12:08 am
mikehell
slooowly
12:09 am
raggedyandy3478
any takers on also trying to do this w/out green?
12:09 am
SeedyV
Oh wait, I got one at last
12:09 am
sprite
I don't use the greens much, actually.
12:09 am
Krys10
I'm already greened up :) was feeling lazy
12:09 am
raggedyandy3478
its been almost 2 full weeks since i have used green
12:10 am
sprite
I never use the script, that doesn't work for me. Too many options. And I love to reason the puzzle out step by step. But I am verrrrrry slow with tough ones.
12:10 am
Krys10
you are a better sudokuer than I, Andy!
12:11 am
ShadeEagle
and finally broke out the green. that didn't take long at all for me
12:11 am
raggedyandy3478
im sure i will feel lazy real soon krys, haha, idk about better, just more addicted....script sprite?
12:12 am
SeedyV
Java code that auto-fills greens, andy
12:12 am
Krys10
Andy, check out my profile - there's something there I called a "green script" - if you paste it in your browser window it fills in the numbers for you
12:12 am
raggedyandy3478
wow, who coded that?
12:12 am
Krys10
but of course, you wouldn't need something like that :)
12:13 am
sprite
Yeah, someone wrote a pretty brilliant script that fills in the greens for you. But it doesn't leave out some impossibles, like when in some upper box a number MUST be put left, it will not leave out that number in the rest of the left column.
12:13 am
Krys10
still trying to find out. want to thank them and ask if they can write one that will remove all green numbers
12:13 am
raggedyandy3478
it may be quite tempting to use, and i have just barely started tonight, so who knows this may be the demise of my streak w/out the green
12:13 am
sprite
lol andy!
12:14 am
SeedyV
Holy wow this is humbling me right now
12:15 am
raggedyandy3478
seedy, i think im just about to get to that ego trip part of the puzzle
12:16 am
SeedyV
I did a crapton of archive clearing, the sudoku side of my brain is probably dead for the night...
12:16 am
Krys10
it'll still be here in the morning, seedy :)
12:17 am
raggedyandy3478
krys, but theres people like me that cant rest until it is solved
12:17 am
Krys10
Im actually going to turn in for now too - husband just got home.
12:17 am
SeedyV
Dang right andy
12:17 am
Penguin
Hello all,
It sounds like this one is really challenging. I'll give it a try, but I'm probably starting a little late ...
12:17 am
Krys10
everything in moderation, my boy. good night!
12:17 am
sprite
I have to go get my offspring fed and off to school. Back later.
12:17 am
raggedyandy3478
night Krys
12:18 am
sprite
You have almost 24 hours, penquin!
12:18 am
SeedyV
The following takes place between 12:00 AM and 1:00 AM....
12:18 am
ShadeEagle
*cue splitscreen*
12:18 am
Penguin
You're right, Sprite. But, that's not as much fun as trying to tackle it, even half asleep. 8-)
12:19 am
ShadeEagle
TELL ME WHERE THE BOMB IS! ...er, maybe I should ask for the sevens or something like that. ;)
12:19 am
sprite
hehe, Penguin... we crazy puzzlers love any challenge ;)
12:20 am
orb
arr - I hate that
12:20 am
sprite
Really gone now, there is some yelling downstairs, lol.
12:20 am
orb
gotta start over - that hasn't happend for weeks
12:20 am
ShadeEagle
great, now I'm going to be thinking about 24 for the next ...less than 24 hours, I hope.
12:21 am
orb
I thought it got too easy all of a sudden
12:25 am
Penguin
Time for me to start playing with red and green.
12:26 am
raggedyandy3478
surprisingly im making some headway w/out it
12:26 am
raggedyandy3478
im just hoping i havent screwed up
12:29 am
raggedyandy3478
done, continuing my streak, gnight to all, and gl
12:35 am
Penguin
Good night Raggedy,
I'll be at it for a while yet.
12:40 am
Penguin
Good evening Moedog
12:41 am
SeedyV
Done, with much gratitude to the script. (Yes, I'm a cheapskate)
12:42 am
orb
I don't think a script really saves that much time on the hard ones
12:42 am
orb
I sometimes play with sudoku susser, which fills in the numbers
12:42 am
SeedyV
It's done wonders for me on a number of the difficult ones
12:43 am
orb
I find I spend nearly as much time rethinking everything to find the next moves because I haven't thought through the puzzle in filling in hints where needed
12:43 am
orb
but maybe that's just me
12:44 am
SeedyV
If anything it's improved my ability to catch the number sets that often break a puzzle open
12:44 am
augurus
Obviously, I am as blind as bat to not see that even with the paintball decal scars.
12:44 am
orb
then again, it might have saved me from making a silly mistake and having to restart tonights. I haven't had to spend 30 minutes on a puzzle here in a loong time
12:46 am
SeedyV
I have no shame when it comes to using greens anyhow, and I am a lazy bastard, so the script suits me well ^^;
12:46 am
Penguin
Well, it's finally starting to move for me.
Regarding your debate about automated fill-ins, I would rather not have that. I prefer to think my way through it with manual aids, like the red-green marking. But, to each his/her own.
Back to it. 8-)
12:47 am
SeedyV
(I do tend to use it as a final resort though, I do like to try and give it my best efforts first)
12:50 am
orb
Ok - I've been here far too long as it is. Be back in "23+ hours"...
12:50 am
mikehell
I hate these hidden triples, I just can't get hang of them. I know that those would probably solve the whole thing, but...
12:51 am
Penguin
Got it! This can be solved ... though it took a lot of marking.
Folks, I have to be up entirely too soon. Good night.
1:55 am
sprite
Done. Easier than it looked at first.
1:58 am
pthomp
scary.... just signed on and the grid showed only the placed 7s for 2 minutes. is OK now
2:09 am
sneeu
how is it today?
2:10 am
chebuctonian
I'm finding this one pretty tough
2:26 am
chebuctonian
finally!
2:26 am
chebuctonian
night all
4:33 am
Linda
where to start?
4:34 am
peternl
I've got three numbers in so far, no very auspicious
4:34 am
Linda
i've only managed one!
4:35 am
Linda
what time is it over there?
4:41 am
peternl
What a mess. I fear its time to fill the board with green
4:41 am
Linda
i'm already filling it with green. but that's only helped me to get another number in so far! it's going to be a long day . . .
4:42 am
peternl
I try to limit my greens to just boxes with pairs of locations to start with.
4:42 am
Linda
and when that doesnt work?
4:43 am
peternl
Then I fill in the rest...
4:43 am
peternl
Usually you can get most of the way (at least on easy/medium) with that, and its much easier to see the forces squares
4:44 am
Linda
what do you mean by 'forces squares'?
4:44 am
peternl
like if there is a pair of 4s in a box, usually in a row or column, its easy to see that they block any other 4s in that row or column
4:45 am
peternl
Once you've filled in all the green, its much harder to see that pair of 4s
4:46 am
Linda
but this is a hard hard one!
4:49 am
Linda
can't believe i've only put in four numbers. greens absolutely everywhere. need another coffee to sort this one out.
4:50 am
peternl
same here. ok, green everywhere, now what...
4:52 am
Linda
where about's in australia are you? i don't normally bump into anyone from there as i'm usually at work
4:53 am
peternl
Oooo, there is some nasty logic going on here
4:57 am
peternl
fun though
5:04 am
Linda
tried guessing but it didn't work. back to checkpoint to guess again!
5:04 am
peternl
No guessing is required
5:05 am
Linda
afraid it is for me!
5:05 am
peternl
The main thing is to spot the cases where three squares in a row or column can be made up of only three numbers
5:06 am
peternl
eg 12, 23, 123. Then you can eliminate 1,2&3 from all the other squares in that row/column
5:06 am
Linda
i know! but some times i just can't see them
5:06 am
peternl
I dont remember any puzzle that had so many sets of three (normally its just sets of 2)
5:09 am
rjan_de
easy today ;-)
5:11 am
Linda
finished! my guess worked that time. how r u doing peternl?
5:16 am
peternl
got it. It's hard, but once you get a few tripples, you can get the rest fairly quickly
5:17 am
narrativium
I have many triples, just looking for links to remove
5:19 am
narrativium
ah yeah, there we go
5:20 am
narrativium
20 minutes
5:21 am
narrativium
MaW: :p
5:33 am
Vega
Done! Needed a bit of brute force, but no guessing. *yay*
7:13 am
Moozey
Not difficult, thank goodness
8:25 am
RandLS
brute force IS guessing :P
8:31 am
NJL
and done .... that was a hard one
8:55 am
yul
good morning. Thanks, Dr God for the return of 'start over' for non pros :)
9:03 am
Grace O'Malley
morning everyone
9:04 am
Grace O'Malley
oh man its a hard yesterday i could hardly do an easy
9:09 am
Grace O'Malley
Well better be going all see you later
9:10 am
Grace O'Malley
Well better be going all see you later
9:10 am
jojomnky
bye grace
9:10 am
Grace O'Malley
Bye
9:13 am
yul
it looks like a long buttle. have to run. lates
9:13 am
jojomnky
take it easy
9:22 am
jojomnky
woo done!
10:27 am
scribble
hello :)
10:42 am
scribble
after spending 15 min. plugging in greens, this is pretty easy.
10:53 am
scribble
that was super easy. done! :)
11:04 am
Limer
Hey Scribble
11:04 am
Limer
That icon is YOU!
11:05 am
scribble
i know, right? :)
11:05 am
scribble
how are you?
11:06 am
scribble
whats DIY?
11:06 am
Limer
Do It Yourself
11:07 am
scribble
oh...my icon? im not sure...i made a few and got some from an image search...so possibly
11:08 am
Limer
looks good, don't change it.
11:08 am
scribble
thanks!! :)
11:08 am
Limer
It's a keeper
11:09 am
scribble
what is your icon? looks kind of like a tree....?
11:10 am
Limer
It's a tree outside of my workplace. I took it with a Zire 72.
11:10 am
scribble
and a Zire 72 is a .....camera?
11:11 am
scribble
ooohhhhh.
11:12 am
scribble
sry i dont know alot about that stuff....
11:12 am
Limer
Hey, that's ok;
11:12 am
Limer
for I love you
11:13 am
scribble
oh well thanks. :)
11:14 am
Limer
Agape love, best thing on Earth since sliced bread
11:14 am
scribble
excuse me while i look up agape...
11:14 am
Limer
It's Greek, and that's no joke
11:15 am
scribble
awww....thats sweet!
11:16 am
scribble
(the 2nd entry)
11:16 am
Limer
Great stuff, ain't it?
11:16 am
scribble
definately
11:23 am
scribble
grrr....scrolled while holding shift and erased everything....good thing im working on an easy
11:23 am
Limer
Checkpoint?
11:24 am
scribble
nope didnt think to
11:25 am
scribble
its yesterday's puzzle....so not really an easy easy.
11:26 am
Limer
I'm still on todays
11:27 am
scribble
pretty straightforward i thought...didnt have to use triples or pairs or anything...just elimination
11:29 am
Limer
Todays or yesterdays
11:36 am
Limer
I ain't that good, sister
11:42 am
Merl
How does this work? If I put in a number, do they tell me if I am wrong or let me find out for myself later?
11:43 am
Limer
You'll kow when you are wrong.
11:43 am
stidmatt
No, only if let's say there is already a 5, then it will say, "Hey, dude! You have two in the same square! Cool it man!"
11:43 am
Perry
It doesn't identify that a specific number is wrong, but it'll warn you if there's a conflict such as two of the same number in a row/column/box
11:44 am
stidmatt
Sorry, bad explanation
11:44 am
Perry
There's a help file just a bit above the chat entry box that will tell you how the game works on this site.
11:44 am
Merl
I'm not use to doing this without pencil, paper, and eraser
11:45 am
macuser
hold down the shift key to enter your possibilities
11:45 am
Perry
you can enter pencil marks by holding shift when clicking on a number, and can erase them the same way
11:49 am
Merl
When I click on the "Help", nothing happens.
11:50 am
Perry
click on the word "Help" not the icon
11:52 am
stidmatt
Iwonder how many possible 9x9 sudokus are possible?
11:55 am
scribble
probly alot
11:55 am
stidmatt
It would most likely be 81*81 which is... 6561.
11:56 am
scribble
smartness... :)
11:58 am
scribble
so what happens when Dr_G goes to make puzzle number 6562?
11:59 am
scribble
brain food...
12:00 pm
SeedyV
Actually, here's a snippet from the Wikipedia Sudoku Article"
12:00 pm
c.dric
6561 solutions but the number of starting grids is much higher ...
12:00 pm
SeedyV
"A completed Sudoku grid is a special type of Latin square with the additional property of no repeated values in any 3×3 block. The number of classic 9×9 Sudoku solution grids was shown in 2005 by Betram Felgenhauer and Frazer Jarvis to be 6,670,903,752,021,072,936,960"
12:01 pm
Morgwaine
nod...I was thinking 9 factorial times 9 factorial yes?
12:03 pm
scribble
wow thats alot...looks like we'll have an abundance of puzzles for a very long time...
12:09 pm
scribble
well im off guys...c-ya later
12:40 pm
Talk24hr
gd afternoon guys... did ya'll have a hard time with todays?
12:51 pm
emanuelez
i'm having it LOL
12:55 pm
Grace O'Malley
Hello Everyone
2:11 pm
Grace O'Malley
Well better be going bye all
3:17 pm
sandbox74
Whew! That was some board... It was a relief once it was all filled in. Have a great day, folks!
3:26 pm
JClark
...odd, that was supposed to be a "Hard" one, but it's probably the easiest one I've done so far. I haven't finished the last three or so "Medium" boards (I'm just getting the hang of this), but this one practically solved itself... Weird.
3:30 pm
Limer
Nailed that puppy
3:30 pm
Limer
Rank me, baby
3:31 pm
Playwoman
It wasn't easy for me, but it was pretty straight forward.
3:45 pm
blueskies29
hello all.
5:17 pm
bzikofski
this one is hard, aint it
5:42 pm
karre
hmm...first day here first puzzle done
5:42 pm
karre
hmm...first day here first puzzle done
5:42 pm
scribble
XONGRATS :)
5:42 pm
scribble
oops...congrats
5:56 pm
skizzybiz
whoo! i'm hot!
6:04 pm
yul
hello again. back from the outer space and on no greens mission
6:09 pm
twstedangel
hey scribble... how was your day?
6:28 pm
yul
too tired to remember. have to use green :(
6:29 pm
yul
it's a new shade of green!
6:29 pm
twstedangel
i still have no clue what anyone is talking about when they say they have to use the "green"
6:30 pm
artlady
It's just like writing little numbers in on the paper when you're trying to figure it out.
6:30 pm
artlady
in this version you can make little green numbers in the squares for your possibilities by holding down the shift key and clicking your choice.
6:31 pm
twstedangel
oh, like msn's sodoku quest game?
6:31 pm
yul
sorry, alt is red, shift is green
6:31 pm
twstedangel
that is not challenging enough for me...
6:31 pm
artlady
don't know that one.
6:32 pm
twstedangel
it's on msn games.. i used to play there until i found this site... completely by accident
6:32 pm
twstedangel
but you have to buy the game and download it.
6:32 pm
twstedangel
you get one free puzzle a day
6:32 pm
artlady
ah. I don't have enuf time to do more than this and an occasional Babble.
6:34 pm
twstedangel
yeah, seriously... when i don't have a computer in front of me i also have a huge book of sodoku puzzles that i do, that i bought from barnes and noble...
6:35 pm
twstedangel
i used to do at least 6 of these puzzles a day. but as my pregnancy is nearing an end... i have other things i need to worry about
6:35 pm
twstedangel
you know?
6:36 pm
artlady
Oh yeah! I played endless games of solitaire and cribbage with my husband while waiting.
6:36 pm
artlady
that was a long time ago, tho.
6:36 pm
artlady
Oops, time for dinner. bbl
6:36 pm
twstedangel
lol... yeah Chris and I do these... although i'm a little better at solving them
6:36 pm
twstedangel
enjoy your meal... nice talking to you artlady
7:02 pm
yul
it was easy when greens was marked.have to rest. good night
7:12 pm
Zello
Hi. This is my first puzzle here. I see I started on a hard one. I just learned not long ago. This could take me all night!
7:56 pm
caffeinatedelf
dearie me - this might not be the best one to start here with ;)
7:56 pm
caffeinatedelf
how are you doing so far?
10:03 pm
btwrt
booyah! i'm done! :D
10:03 pm
LeslieAnn
nice job, btwrt
10:06 pm
btwrt
it's kinda sad, i finished my archived puzzles and now i only get one a day again ... :(
10:06 pm
btwrt
thx, leslie :)
10:06 pm
LeslieAnn
me too! do you have all the points? i still have 162/164 even though i did all the puzzles
10:07 pm
btwrt
yeah i only have 161!
10:07 pm
btwrt
caff told me to complain to dr_god, but i was going to wait another day or so to see what happened
10:08 pm
LeslieAnn
hmmm that's weird... maybe you have to finish it so many days in a row for it to count for all the points? i don't know
10:08 pm
btwrt
doesn't make sense tho. the rankings say that elite means you have completed 100% of puzzles
10:08 pm
caffeinatedelf
you should both tell the doc
10:08 pm
caffeinatedelf
seriously :)
10:08 pm
LeslieAnn
*hangs head in shame* yes, mom
10:08 pm
caffeinatedelf
HAHA. crap. i'm not your mom!
10:09 pm
caffeinatedelf
also i love kenya
10:09 pm
btwrt
maybe he's around? dr_god??
10:09 pm
caffeinatedelf
kenya kenya kenya!
10:09 pm
LeslieAnn
where can you see lions?
10:09 pm
LeslieAnn
forget norway
10:09 pm
caffeinatedelf
only in kenya!
10:09 pm
btwrt
btw leslieann, i had that kenya song stuck in my head for days after the first time i heard it. i love that one ;)
10:09 pm
caffeinatedelf
where the giraffes are, and the zeeeeeebraaaa!!
10:09 pm
btwrt
i love their little forks and knives
10:10 pm
LeslieAnn
there is also a live version from some people who had waaaaay too much time on their hands
10:10 pm
caffeinatedelf
wow
10:10 pm
btwrt
wow. that IS too much time.
10:10 pm
btwrt
say us sudoku freaks
10:10 pm
caffeinatedelf
hahaha. *snort*
10:11 pm
btwrt
lol ... forget the 'myspace ruined my relationship' t-shirt, i need a 'sudoku ruined my relationship' one instead ;)
10:11 pm
LeslieAnn
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya+live/
10:11 pm
caffeinatedelf
thank you leslie!
10:12 pm
btwrt
it's at 20% loading, i think it'll be a while ;)
10:12 pm
caffeinatedelf
AUGH SO FUNNY!!! hahahahahahahaaa!
10:13 pm
caffeinatedelf
geez btwrt, are you serious? i thought that cable was faster than dsl
10:14 pm
btwrt
well, i'm downloading things, as always. HAHAHA
10:14 pm
btwrt
it's at 72% now. and closing ---
10:15 pm
caffeinatedelf
mm true. you and your obsessive torrent-ing
10:16 pm
btwrt
OMG, so funny
10:16 pm
btwrt
no no, it's not torrents, just good ol' illegal file sharing. whoops! did i say that out loud??
10:16 pm
btwrt
augh! they're knocking on my door! augh!!!!!
10:17 pm
LeslieAnn
try saying "just kidding" btwrt maybe it will help
10:18 pm
caffeinatedelf
heehee!
10:18 pm
LeslieAnn
all right, ladies, i'm done. have a good night!
10:19 pm
caffeinatedelf
nighty night leslie!