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Difficulty: Hard Tuesday, May 30, 2006

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CHAT LOG for Tuesday, May 30, 2006

12:02 am
Krys10

hihi!
12:02 am
sprite

Hey Krys :D
12:03 am
mikehell

Hiya all...
12:03 am
sprite

hi mike
12:03 am
orb

starting to get a midnight crowd
12:03 am
sprite

Except it's 7 am here in Holland. My kids are getting dressed, lol.
12:03 am
mikehell

It.s mid morning for me...
12:04 am
orb

its midnight at ironsudoku :)
12:04 am
mikehell

10:33
12:04 am
sprite

hehe, that's true.
12:05 am
raggedyandy3478

hey guys
12:05 am
Krys10

hey andy!
12:05 am
sprite

hi andy :)
12:06 am
raggedyandy3478

hows it going today?
12:06 am
mikehell


12:06 am
Krys10

had a good work day - half my clients forgot to show up because of the holiday
12:06 am
sprite

that bad, eh?
12:06 am
raggedyandy3478

sweet!
12:07 am
mikehell

12:07 am
raggedyandy3478

hows the puzzle, is it living up to its rating?
12:08 am
Krys10

I'm only half concentrating, but it's definintely slow going compared to the last few...
12:08 am
SeedyV

I have yet to place a number, if that says anything :D
12:08 am
sprite

It's coming, but not fast here.
12:08 am
orb

too early to say - haven't hit the hard part yet
12:08 am
mikehell

slooowly
12:09 am
raggedyandy3478

any takers on also trying to do this w/out green?
12:09 am
SeedyV

Oh wait, I got one at last
12:09 am
sprite

I don't use the greens much, actually.
12:09 am
Krys10

I'm already greened up :) was feeling lazy
12:09 am
raggedyandy3478

its been almost 2 full weeks since i have used green
12:10 am
sprite

I never use the script, that doesn't work for me. Too many options. And I love to reason the puzzle out step by step. But I am verrrrrry slow with tough ones.
12:10 am
Krys10

you are a better sudokuer than I, Andy!
12:11 am
ShadeEagle

and finally broke out the green. that didn't take long at all for me
12:11 am
raggedyandy3478

im sure i will feel lazy real soon krys, haha, idk about better, just more addicted....script sprite?
12:12 am
SeedyV

Java code that auto-fills greens, andy
12:12 am
Krys10

Andy, check out my profile - there's something there I called a "green script" - if you paste it in your browser window it fills in the numbers for you
12:12 am
raggedyandy3478

wow, who coded that?
12:12 am
Krys10

but of course, you wouldn't need something like that :)
12:13 am
sprite

Yeah, someone wrote a pretty brilliant script that fills in the greens for you. But it doesn't leave out some impossibles, like when in some upper box a number MUST be put left, it will not leave out that number in the rest of the left column.
12:13 am
Krys10

still trying to find out. want to thank them and ask if they can write one that will remove all green numbers
12:13 am
raggedyandy3478

it may be quite tempting to use, and i have just barely started tonight, so who knows this may be the demise of my streak w/out the green
12:13 am
sprite

lol andy!
12:14 am
SeedyV

Holy wow this is humbling me right now
12:15 am
raggedyandy3478

seedy, i think im just about to get to that ego trip part of the puzzle
12:16 am
SeedyV

I did a crapton of archive clearing, the sudoku side of my brain is probably dead for the night...
12:16 am
Krys10

it'll still be here in the morning, seedy :)
12:17 am
raggedyandy3478

krys, but theres people like me that cant rest until it is solved
12:17 am
Krys10

Im actually going to turn in for now too - husband just got home.
12:17 am
SeedyV

Dang right andy
12:17 am
Penguin

Hello all,
It sounds like this one is really challenging. I'll give it a try, but I'm probably starting a little late ...
12:17 am
Krys10

everything in moderation, my boy. good night!
12:17 am
sprite

I have to go get my offspring fed and off to school. Back later.
12:17 am
raggedyandy3478

night Krys
12:18 am
sprite

You have almost 24 hours, penquin!
12:18 am
SeedyV

The following takes place between 12:00 AM and 1:00 AM....
12:18 am
ShadeEagle

*cue splitscreen*
12:18 am
Penguin

You're right, Sprite. But, that's not as much fun as trying to tackle it, even half asleep. 8-)
12:19 am
ShadeEagle

TELL ME WHERE THE BOMB IS! ...er, maybe I should ask for the sevens or something like that. ;)
12:19 am
sprite

hehe, Penguin... we crazy puzzlers love any challenge ;)
12:20 am
orb

arr - I hate that
12:20 am
sprite

Really gone now, there is some yelling downstairs, lol.
12:20 am
orb

gotta start over - that hasn't happend for weeks
12:20 am
ShadeEagle

great, now I'm going to be thinking about 24 for the next ...less than 24 hours, I hope.
12:21 am
orb

I thought it got too easy all of a sudden
12:25 am
Penguin

Time for me to start playing with red and green.
12:26 am
raggedyandy3478

surprisingly im making some headway w/out it
12:26 am
raggedyandy3478

im just hoping i havent screwed up
12:29 am
raggedyandy3478

done, continuing my streak, gnight to all, and gl
12:35 am
Penguin

Good night Raggedy,
I'll be at it for a while yet.
12:40 am
moedog

hi, all!
12:40 am
Penguin

Good evening Moedog
12:41 am
SeedyV

Done, with much gratitude to the script. (Yes, I'm a cheapskate)
12:42 am
orb

I don't think a script really saves that much time on the hard ones
12:42 am
orb

I sometimes play with sudoku susser, which fills in the numbers
12:42 am
SeedyV

It's done wonders for me on a number of the difficult ones
12:43 am
orb

I find I spend nearly as much time rethinking everything to find the next moves because I haven't thought through the puzzle in filling in hints where needed
12:43 am
orb

but maybe that's just me
12:44 am
SeedyV

If anything it's improved my ability to catch the number sets that often break a puzzle open
12:44 am
augurus

Obviously, I am as blind as bat to not see that even with the paintball decal scars.
12:44 am
orb

then again, it might have saved me from making a silly mistake and having to restart tonights. I haven't had to spend 30 minutes on a puzzle here in a loong time
12:46 am
SeedyV

I have no shame when it comes to using greens anyhow, and I am a lazy bastard, so the script suits me well ^^;
12:46 am
Penguin

Well, it's finally starting to move for me.

Regarding your debate about automated fill-ins, I would rather not have that. I prefer to think my way through it with manual aids, like the red-green marking. But, to each his/her own.

Back to it. 8-)
12:47 am
SeedyV

(I do tend to use it as a final resort though, I do like to try and give it my best efforts first)
12:50 am
orb

Ok - I've been here far too long as it is. Be back in "23+ hours"...
12:50 am
mikehell

I hate these hidden triples, I just can't get hang of them. I know that those would probably solve the whole thing, but...
12:51 am
Penguin

Got it! This can be solved ... though it took a lot of marking.

Folks, I have to be up entirely too soon. Good night.
1:55 am
sprite

Done. Easier than it looked at first.
1:58 am
pthomp

scary.... just signed on and the grid showed only the placed 7s for 2 minutes. is OK now
2:00 am
sneeu

morning
2:06 am
chebuctonian

hi
2:09 am
sneeu

how is it today?
2:10 am
chebuctonian

I'm finding this one pretty tough
2:26 am
chebuctonian

finally!
2:26 am
chebuctonian

night all
4:01 am
peternl

hi all
4:24 am
peternl

hmmmm
4:33 am
Linda

where to start?
4:34 am
peternl

indeed
4:34 am
peternl

I've got three numbers in so far, no very auspicious
4:34 am
Linda

i've only managed one!
4:35 am
Linda

what time is it over there?
4:35 am
peternl

5:30pm
4:41 am
peternl

What a mess. I fear its time to fill the board with green
4:41 am
Linda

i'm already filling it with green. but that's only helped me to get another number in so far! it's going to be a long day . . .
4:42 am
peternl

I try to limit my greens to just boxes with pairs of locations to start with.
4:42 am
Linda

and when that doesnt work?
4:43 am
peternl

Then I fill in the rest...
4:43 am
peternl

Usually you can get most of the way (at least on easy/medium) with that, and its much easier to see the forces squares
4:44 am
Linda

what do you mean by 'forces squares'?
4:44 am
peternl

like if there is a pair of 4s in a box, usually in a row or column, its easy to see that they block any other 4s in that row or column
4:45 am
Linda

ok
4:45 am
peternl

Once you've filled in all the green, its much harder to see that pair of 4s
4:45 am
Linda

agreed
4:46 am
Linda

but this is a hard hard one!
4:46 am
peternl

indeed
4:49 am
Linda

can't believe i've only put in four numbers. greens absolutely everywhere. need another coffee to sort this one out.
4:50 am
peternl

same here. ok, green everywhere, now what...
4:52 am
Linda

where about's in australia are you? i don't normally bump into anyone from there as i'm usually at work
4:53 am
peternl

Oooo, there is some nasty logic going on here
4:57 am
MaW

This is EVIL
4:57 am
Linda

yes
4:57 am
peternl

fun though
5:04 am
peternl

done!
5:04 am
Linda

tried guessing but it didn't work. back to checkpoint to guess again!
5:04 am
peternl

No guessing is required
5:05 am
Linda

afraid it is for me!
5:05 am
peternl

The main thing is to spot the cases where three squares in a row or column can be made up of only three numbers
5:06 am
peternl

eg 12, 23, 123. Then you can eliminate 1,2&3 from all the other squares in that row/column
5:06 am
Linda

i know! but some times i just can't see them
5:06 am
peternl

I dont remember any puzzle that had so many sets of three (normally its just sets of 2)
5:09 am
rjan_de

easy today ;-)
5:11 am
Linda

finished! my guess worked that time. how r u doing peternl?
5:15 am
MaW

EASY?
5:15 am
MaW

argh
5:16 am
peternl

got it. It's hard, but once you get a few tripples, you can get the rest fairly quickly
5:17 am
narrativium

I have many triples, just looking for links to remove
5:19 am
narrativium

ah yeah, there we go
5:20 am
narrativium

done
5:20 am
MaW

* scowls *
5:20 am
narrativium

20 minutes
5:21 am
narrativium

MaW: :p
5:29 am
MaW

done
5:33 am
Vega

Done! Needed a bit of brute force, but no guessing. *yay*
7:13 am
Moozey

Not difficult, thank goodness
7:41 am
NJL

Hi all
8:25 am
RandLS

brute force IS guessing :P
8:31 am
NJL

and done .... that was a hard one
8:55 am
yul

good morning. Thanks, Dr God for the return of 'start over' for non pros :)
8:59 am
parsec

morning.
8:59 am
jojomnky

morning
9:03 am
Grace O'Malley

morning everyone
9:04 am
Grace O'Malley

oh man its a hard yesterday i could hardly do an easy
9:09 am
Grace O'Malley

Well better be going all see you later
9:10 am
Grace O'Malley

Well better be going all see you later
9:10 am
jojomnky

bye grace
9:10 am
Grace O'Malley

Bye
9:10 am
yul

c-ya
9:13 am
yul

it looks like a long buttle. have to run. lates
9:13 am
jojomnky

take it easy
9:22 am
jojomnky

woo done!
10:27 am
scribble

hello :)
10:42 am
scribble

after spending 15 min. plugging in greens, this is pretty easy.
10:53 am
scribble

that was super easy. done! :)
11:04 am
Limer

Hey Scribble
11:04 am
Limer

That icon is YOU!
11:05 am
scribble

i know, right? :)
11:05 am
scribble

how are you?
11:05 am
Limer

DIY/
11:05 am
Limer

I'm good
11:06 am
scribble

whats DIY?
11:06 am
Limer

Do It Yourself
11:07 am
scribble

oh...my icon? im not sure...i made a few and got some from an image search...so possibly
11:08 am
Limer

looks good, don't change it.
11:08 am
Limer

I love it
11:08 am
scribble

thanks!! :)
11:08 am
Limer

It's a keeper
11:09 am
scribble

what is your icon? looks kind of like a tree....?
11:09 am
Limer

BINGO
11:10 am
scribble

aha.
11:10 am
Limer

It's a tree outside of my workplace. I took it with a Zire 72.
11:10 am
scribble

and a Zire 72 is a .....camera?
11:11 am
Limer

PDA
11:11 am
scribble

ooohhhhh.
11:12 am
scribble

sry i dont know alot about that stuff....
11:12 am
Limer

Hey, that's ok;
11:12 am
Limer

for I love you
11:12 am
Limer

anyway
11:13 am
Limer

;-)
11:13 am
scribble

oh well thanks. :)
11:14 am
Limer

Agape love, best thing on Earth since sliced bread
11:14 am
scribble

excuse me while i look up agape...
11:14 am
Limer

It's Greek, and that's no joke
11:15 am
scribble

awww....thats sweet!
11:16 am
scribble

(the 2nd entry)
11:16 am
Limer

Great stuff, ain't it?
11:16 am
scribble

definately
11:23 am
scribble

grrr....scrolled while holding shift and erased everything....good thing im working on an easy
11:23 am
Limer

Checkpoint?
11:24 am
scribble

nope didnt think to
11:25 am
Limer

OUCH
11:25 am
scribble

its yesterday's puzzle....so not really an easy easy.
11:26 am
Limer

k
11:26 am
Limer

I'm still on todays
11:27 am
scribble

pretty straightforward i thought...didnt have to use triples or pairs or anything...just elimination
11:29 am
Limer

Todays or yesterdays
11:30 am
scribble

todays
11:36 am
Limer

I ain't that good, sister
11:42 am
Merl

How does this work? If I put in a number, do they tell me if I am wrong or let me find out for myself later?
11:43 am
Limer

You'll kow when you are wrong.
11:43 am
stidmatt

No, only if let's say there is already a 5, then it will say, "Hey, dude! You have two in the same square! Cool it man!"
11:43 am
Perry

It doesn't identify that a specific number is wrong, but it'll warn you if there's a conflict such as two of the same number in a row/column/box
11:44 am
stidmatt

Sorry, bad explanation
11:44 am
Perry

There's a help file just a bit above the chat entry box that will tell you how the game works on this site.
11:44 am
Merl

I'm not use to doing this without pencil, paper, and eraser
11:45 am
macuser

hold down the shift key to enter your possibilities
11:45 am
Perry

you can enter pencil marks by holding shift when clicking on a number, and can erase them the same way
11:49 am
Merl

When I click on the "Help", nothing happens.
11:50 am
Perry

click on the word "Help" not the icon
11:52 am
stidmatt

Iwonder how many possible 9x9 sudokus are possible?
11:55 am
scribble

probly alot
11:55 am
stidmatt

It would most likely be 81*81 which is... 6561.
11:56 am
scribble

smartness... :)
11:58 am
scribble

so what happens when Dr_G goes to make puzzle number 6562?
11:59 am
scribble

brain food...
12:00 pm
SeedyV

Actually, here's a snippet from the Wikipedia Sudoku Article"
12:00 pm
c.dric

6561 solutions but the number of starting grids is much higher ...
12:00 pm
SeedyV

"A completed Sudoku grid is a special type of Latin square with the additional property of no repeated values in any 3×3 block. The number of classic 9×9 Sudoku solution grids was shown in 2005 by Betram Felgenhauer and Frazer Jarvis to be 6,670,903,752,021,072,936,960"
12:01 pm
Morgwaine

nod...I was thinking 9 factorial times 9 factorial yes?
12:03 pm
scribble

wow thats alot...looks like we'll have an abundance of puzzles for a very long time...
12:09 pm
scribble

well im off guys...c-ya later
12:40 pm
Talk24hr

gd afternoon guys... did ya'll have a hard time with todays?
12:51 pm
emanuelez

i'm having it LOL
12:55 pm
Grace O'Malley

Hello Everyone
1:23 pm
UDbmas

hi all
1:26 pm
shortstop

hi
2:11 pm
Grace O'Malley

Well better be going bye all
3:17 pm
sandbox74

Whew! That was some board... It was a relief once it was all filled in. Have a great day, folks!
3:26 pm
JClark

...odd, that was supposed to be a "Hard" one, but it's probably the easiest one I've done so far. I haven't finished the last three or so "Medium" boards (I'm just getting the hang of this), but this one practically solved itself... Weird.
3:30 pm
Limer

ha
3:30 pm
Limer

Nailed that puppy
3:30 pm
Limer

Rank me, baby
3:31 pm
Playwoman

It wasn't easy for me, but it was pretty straight forward.
3:44 pm
helenkeller

go
3:45 pm
blueskies29

hello all.
3:45 pm
helenkeller

to
4:09 pm
helenkeller

ti
4:19 pm
helenkeller

done
5:17 pm
bzikofski

this one is hard, aint it
5:42 pm
karre

hmm...first day here first puzzle done
5:42 pm
karre

hmm...first day here first puzzle done
5:42 pm
scribble

XONGRATS :)
5:42 pm
scribble

oops...congrats
5:42 pm
karre

ty much
5:56 pm
skizzybiz

whoo! i'm hot!
6:04 pm
yul

hello again. back from the outer space and on no greens mission
6:09 pm
twstedangel

hey scribble... how was your day?
6:28 pm
yul

too tired to remember. have to use green :(
6:29 pm
yul

it's a new shade of green!
6:29 pm
twstedangel

i still have no clue what anyone is talking about when they say they have to use the "green"
6:29 pm
twstedangel

?
6:30 pm
yul

alt + clic
6:30 pm
artlady

It's just like writing little numbers in on the paper when you're trying to figure it out.
6:30 pm
artlady

in this version you can make little green numbers in the squares for your possibilities by holding down the shift key and clicking your choice.
6:31 pm
twstedangel

oh, like msn's sodoku quest game?
6:31 pm
yul

sorry, alt is red, shift is green
6:31 pm
twstedangel

that is not challenging enough for me...
6:31 pm
artlady

don't know that one.
6:32 pm
twstedangel

it's on msn games.. i used to play there until i found this site... completely by accident
6:32 pm
twstedangel

but you have to buy the game and download it.
6:32 pm
twstedangel

you get one free puzzle a day
6:32 pm
artlady

ah. I don't have enuf time to do more than this and an occasional Babble.
6:34 pm
twstedangel

yeah, seriously... when i don't have a computer in front of me i also have a huge book of sodoku puzzles that i do, that i bought from barnes and noble...
6:35 pm
twstedangel

i used to do at least 6 of these puzzles a day. but as my pregnancy is nearing an end... i have other things i need to worry about
6:35 pm
twstedangel

you know?
6:36 pm
artlady

Oh yeah! I played endless games of solitaire and cribbage with my husband while waiting.
6:36 pm
artlady

that was a long time ago, tho.
6:36 pm
artlady

Oops, time for dinner. bbl
6:36 pm
twstedangel

lol... yeah Chris and I do these... although i'm a little better at solving them
6:36 pm
twstedangel

enjoy your meal... nice talking to you artlady
7:02 pm
yul

it was easy when greens was marked.have to rest. good night
7:03 pm
artlady

'night
7:12 pm
Zello

Hi. This is my first puzzle here. I see I started on a hard one. I just learned not long ago. This could take me all night!
7:56 pm
caffeinatedelf

dearie me - this might not be the best one to start here with ;)
7:56 pm
caffeinatedelf

how are you doing so far?
10:03 pm
btwrt

booyah! i'm done! :D
10:03 pm
LeslieAnn

nice job, btwrt
10:06 pm
btwrt

it's kinda sad, i finished my archived puzzles and now i only get one a day again ... :(
10:06 pm
btwrt

thx, leslie :)
10:06 pm
LeslieAnn

me too! do you have all the points? i still have 162/164 even though i did all the puzzles
10:07 pm
btwrt

yeah i only have 161!
10:07 pm
btwrt

caff told me to complain to dr_god, but i was going to wait another day or so to see what happened
10:08 pm
LeslieAnn

hmmm that's weird... maybe you have to finish it so many days in a row for it to count for all the points? i don't know
10:08 pm
btwrt

doesn't make sense tho. the rankings say that elite means you have completed 100% of puzzles
10:08 pm
caffeinatedelf

you should both tell the doc
10:08 pm
caffeinatedelf

seriously :)
10:08 pm
LeslieAnn

*hangs head in shame* yes, mom
10:08 pm
caffeinatedelf

HAHA. crap. i'm not your mom!
10:09 pm
caffeinatedelf

also i love kenya
10:09 pm
btwrt

maybe he's around? dr_god??
10:09 pm
caffeinatedelf

kenya kenya kenya!
10:09 pm
LeslieAnn

where can you see lions?
10:09 pm
LeslieAnn

forget norway
10:09 pm
caffeinatedelf

only in kenya!
10:09 pm
btwrt

btw leslieann, i had that kenya song stuck in my head for days after the first time i heard it. i love that one ;)
10:09 pm
caffeinatedelf

where the giraffes are, and the zeeeeeebraaaa!!
10:09 pm
btwrt

i love their little forks and knives
10:10 pm
LeslieAnn

there is also a live version from some people who had waaaaay too much time on their hands
10:10 pm
caffeinatedelf

wow
10:10 pm
btwrt

wow. that IS too much time.
10:10 pm
btwrt

say us sudoku freaks
10:10 pm
caffeinatedelf

hahaha. *snort*
10:11 pm
btwrt

lol ... forget the 'myspace ruined my relationship' t-shirt, i need a 'sudoku ruined my relationship' one instead ;)
10:11 pm
LeslieAnn

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya+live/
10:11 pm
caffeinatedelf

thank you leslie!
10:12 pm
btwrt

it's at 20% loading, i think it'll be a while ;)
10:12 pm
caffeinatedelf

AUGH SO FUNNY!!! hahahahahahahaaa!
10:13 pm
caffeinatedelf

geez btwrt, are you serious? i thought that cable was faster than dsl
10:14 pm
btwrt

well, i'm downloading things, as always. HAHAHA
10:14 pm
btwrt

it's at 72% now. and closing ---
10:15 pm
caffeinatedelf

mm true. you and your obsessive torrent-ing
10:16 pm
btwrt

OMG, so funny
10:16 pm
btwrt

no no, it's not torrents, just good ol' illegal file sharing. whoops! did i say that out loud??
10:16 pm
btwrt

augh! they're knocking on my door! augh!!!!!
10:17 pm
LeslieAnn

try saying "just kidding" btwrt maybe it will help
10:18 pm
caffeinatedelf

heehee!
10:18 pm
LeslieAnn

all right, ladies, i'm done. have a good night!
10:19 pm
caffeinatedelf

nighty night leslie!